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To: 'Andy Burton' <>
Subject: names
From: Peter Madvig <>
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:46:10 +0000
Trouble is, Andy - it's a Fantail, not a Wagtail....!!
Cheers


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Burton  
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 5:54 PM
To: Peter Madvig
Cc: Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names

Willie Wagtail = Pied Wagtail 😂😂😂



> On 24 Jan 2017, at 3:43 pm, Peter Madvig <> wrote:
> 
> Freddy Fantail....??!! Ah well :-)
> Cheers
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
> John Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 7:28 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
> 
> The problem with "Willy Fantail" is that Willie Wagtail is is an inseparable 
> unit, being an Irish and Scots name for the Pied Wagtail along the lines of 
> Margaret Pie = Magpie, ie a personal name followed by the bird name.
> 
> If they want to rename it they have to recognise that the Willie part isn't 
> an adjective, and they need to find an adjective to go with Fantail that 
> distinguishes it from all the other Fantails, White-browed Fantail (for 
> example, from the scientific name).
> 
> John Leonard
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2017, at 6:10 PM, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>> 
>> I think these would be "re-namers" are just blowing their own trumpets to 
>> gain a little notice. Forget it folks, keep using the names we all grew up 
>> with, we don't NEED any new names thank you academia.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
>> michael hunter
>> Sent: 23 January 2017 16:57
>> To: 
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] names
>> 
>> 
>>  Once again a few academics, mostly not Australian, if not Un-Australian, 
>> are foisting otherworldly names onto us Aussie birders.
>> 
>> Common names , NOT ENGLISH names, for Australian birds are names commonly 
>> used by about 99% of Australian birdwatchers for our birds. It is appalling 
>> that colourless English names like Black-necked Stork have been inflicted on 
>> us by a few pseudo-academics who are presumably incapable of memorising 
>> Scientific names.  Jabiru may be the common name of a South American Stork, 
>> but changing the official “common” name for any birdwatcher witless enough 
>> to confuse the two in the field was an amazing arrogance. One justification 
>> was that people reading birdguides will be confused in not justified.  
>> 
>>  These people are meddling with our Australian common names, which are , or 
>> were, spontaneous non-scientific vernacular.
>>  Among many examples, “Jabiru” and “Torres Straits Pigeon” had romantic (in 
>> the broad sense folks) connotations lost in the bland generics we are told 
>> to use instead. As a youth my first sighting of the legendary Jabiru was 
>> very exciting, and stimulated a life-long interest in Birding.  Seeing a 
>> Black-necked Stork would not have.
>> 
>> “Willy Fantail”   They must be joking.
>> 
>>        Resist.
>> 
>>               Michael
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