Looks like we are all prisoners of Zenda.
Carl Clifford
> On 8 Jan 2016, at 11:01 AM, Stephen Ambrose <> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike. I did not have access to White et al. (2011), I was just
> relying on the citations from del Hoyo & Collar (2014) and Winkler et al.
> (2015), based on a quick literature search.
>
> del Hoyo & Collar (2014) state in relation to genus Zanda (p. 700):
> "Previously included in Calyptorhynchus, but DNA study indicates that
> recognition is warranted (White et al. 2011)."
>
> There is no further comment about the DNA study in Winkler et al. (2015) (p.
> 261), but they have used the Zanda upgrade to genus level by del Hoyo &
> Collar (2014).
>
> The species profile for Zanda funerea in the IUCN Red List for Threatened
> species <www.iucnredlistorg/details/22684739/0> states "Zanda funerea (del
> Hoyo and Collar 2014) was previously placed in the genus Calyptorhynchus as
> C. funereus."
>
> So, it looks like del Hoyo & Collar (2014) either misquoted White et al.
> (2011) or, as you say, decided to upgrade Zanda to genus based on what they
> read, and this has been picked up in subsequent publications.
>
> Kind regards,
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Ambrose
> Ryde, NSW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
> Mike Owen
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:37 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Zanda?
>
> I have just been looking at my copy of White et al. (2011) and they do not
> appear to suggest that /Calyptorhynchus/ be separated into two separate
> genera but rather say their DNA work supports Schodde's (1997) recognition of
> the two subgenera - /C. (Calyptorhynchus)/ and /C.
> (Zanda)/ - on page 620, 2nd paragraph of the paper.
>
> So if the subsequent authors are suggesting the recognition of two separate
> genera that must be be their decision rather than one made by White et al.
>
> cheers,
>
> Mike Owen
>
>
>
>> On 07-Jan-16 8:59 AM, Stephen Ambrose wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> A quick look at the literature:
>>
>> Zanda was a subgenus of the genus Calyptorhynchus. But DNA studies by White
>> et al. (2011) suggested that Zanda should be separated from Calyptorhynchus
>> and elevated to genus level. This classification was picked up subsequently
>> by del Hoyo & Collar (2014), who are not quoted by the IUCN Red List of
>> Threatened Species
>> http://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2012-1.RLTS.T22684739A38977158.en and
>> Winkler et al. (2015) (my copy also arrived in the post yesterday).
>>
>> References
>>
>> Del Hoyo, J. and Collar, N.J. (2014). HBW and BirdLife International
>> Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World. Vol 1: Non-passerines (Lynx
>> Edicions, Barcelona).
>>
>> White, NE., Phillips, MJ., Gilbert, MTP., Alfaro-Nunez, A., Willerslev, E.,
>> Mawsond, PR., Spencer, PBS. and Bunce, M. (2011). The evolutionary history
>> of cockatoos (Aves: Psittaciformes: Cacatuidae). Mol. Pylogenet. Evol.
>> 59(3): 615-622.
>>
>> Winkler, DW., Billerman, S.M. and Lovette, IJ (2015). Bird Families of the
>> World: An Invitation to the Spectacular Diversity of Birds (Lynx Edicions,
>> Barcelona).
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Stephen
>>
>> Stephen Ambrose
>> Ryde, NSW
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus On
>> Behalf Of John Leonard
>> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 8:50 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Zanda?
>>
>> I have just received my copy of the Bird Families of the World, from the HBW
>> people. Magnificent volume!
>>
>> Anyway, I see they use Zanda as the generic name for the Yellow-tailed and
>> two White-tailed Cockatoos.
>>
>> When did this happen? I'd like to know as it affects my online persona (I'll
>> have to become Zanda now, solemn and mournful, not noisy and gregarious).
>>
>>
>>
>> John Leonard
>>
>>
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