Yes I wrote this on the run I meant muscovy with mallards.
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From: "Nikolas Haass" <>
Sent: 7 July 2014 8:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck
Not sure what you mean with 'mallards are too distantly related from
mallards to hybridise'. I guess, you wanted to say muscovy instead?
Anyway, hybridisation between Muscovy and Mallard is well documented.
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On 7/07/14 8:07 AM, "Kev Lobotomi" <> wrote:
>I dont think mallards could hybridise with mallards. Too distantly
>related. They certainly wouldn't produce fertile young. Kev
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>From: "Mandy Bamford" <>
>Sent: 7 July 2014 2:54 AM
>To: "'Stephen Ambrose'" <>, "'John Harris'"
><>, "'Mike Carter'" <>
>Cc: "'Patrick Guay'" <>,
>Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck
>Hmmm, 1984?... it doesn't seem that long ago!
>Over in WA we have no wild-type Mallards, so the few odd ducks that appear
>on lakes here are either:
> 1 - purebred or crossbred (mongrel) domestic Mallards, many of
> 2 - domestic Mallard x Muscovy hybrids (which are quite variable,
>sometimes have red around the beak but not always, have a wedge-shaped
>tail... and are sterile), or
> 3 - domestic Mallard x Pacific Black Duck hybrids. The domestic
>Mallards released on lakes are mostly males, so hybrids are almost always
>crosses between Male domestic Mallard and female Pacific Black Duck and
>fertile. They may or may not fly but tend to be fairly sedentary. Orange
>legs are certainly common in Mallard x Black Duck hybrids that I've seen
>These photos look to me like a crossbred domestic Mallard, although it
>be a Mallard x Muscovy hybrid - how did it move? Was the tail fairly
>I'll be interested to hear what Patrick Guay from Vic Uni thinks.
>From: Stephen Ambrose
>Sent: Saturday, 5 July 2014 10:25 AM
>To: 'John Harris'; 'Mike Carter'
>Cc: 'Patrick Guay'; ; 'Mandy Bamford'
>Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Duck
>Mandy Bamford (nee Silberstein) looked at hybridisation between Mallards
>Pacific Black Ducks in Perth for her Honours degree at the University of
>Western Australia in 1984 (I know, a long time ago!), so I have cc'ed her
>into this conversation too.
>All the best,
>From: Birding-Aus On Behalf
>Sent: Friday, 4 July 2014 4:08 PM
>To: Mike Carter
>Cc: Patrick Guay;
>Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Duck
>I'd like to add my 2 cents worth to this discussion. Dr Patrick Guay from
>Vic Uni has looked at hybridisation between native ducks and Mallard types
>and is much better placed to add to this discussion than I am so i have
>cc'ed him into this.
>An interesting topic indeed.
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>On 4 July 2014 12:30, Mike Carter <> wrote:
>> A rather late entry to this debate. I have no doubt that Russell's
>> bird was of feral origin, a hybrid farm-yard type duck.
>> But the increasing occurrence of bright orange feet in otherwise
>> Pacific Black Ducks south-east of Melbourne is surprising, difficult
>> to explain and perhaps of some concern. Not so long ago I would count
>> an orange-footed bird as a Shoveler but can no longer rely on that as
>> an ID feature as more Black Ducks now show it. Surprising because
>> Pacific Black Ducks are abundant, Mallard are extremely rare and the
>> larger free flying farm-yard ducks very uncommon. As an illustration I
>> took the attached shot showing Black Duck with orange feet on one of
>> our recent surveys on a wetland SE of Melbourne. I realise that some
>> individuals have brighter feet than others but it seems to me that the
>> brightness and frequency of orange feet in Black Ducks is increasing.
>> Mike Carter
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