Hm, doesn't all this indicate that it is unwise to pay anyone overseas in
advance - unless you know them personally. I'm heading off to UK in April and
have been advised not to pay anyone in advance ( except the airline and car
rental). By all means book, but only pay accommodation and guides etc either
during or once you have received the service, not before. I've even been told
not to book accommodation in UK until the morning before you are certain where
you are going to be that night because there is so much accomm available it's
easy to find somewhere a day in advance. This last bit also covers the
possibility of a pre-booked and paid trip not going exactly to plan and losing
one's deposit.
BTW, this is not a birding trip, I'm not even taking my bins. I might have a
look at a few birds but I'm not much interested in ticking overseas birds, only
Aussie ones.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Peter Shute
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 8:57 PM
To: Peter Marsh
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Cautionary tale re paying for overseas birding trips
This sounds like an inside job. Even if you had used a credit card to pay them,
would the bank refund the money? I think they would if you had paid the right
people and an insider had passed the card details on to someone else. But would
they be interested if you had paid the wrong person?
Peter Shute
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On 28/01/2013, at 4:26 PM, "Peter Marsh" <> wrote:
> Dear Birders,
> I appear to have had a very lucky escape when paying for a birding trip in
> East Africa. I had a recommendation to a local birding company in the country
> concerned and communicated with them a number of times regarding a private
> trip I was organising. This communication was all done by e-mail with them
> using a single e-mail address. After a number of exchanges I received an
> e-mail (apparently) from the same e-mail address asking me to send the money
> to them via Western Union. I did this and received an e-mail from the
> (apparently) same e-mail acknowledging the receipt of the money. I also
> received advice from Western Union that the money had been picked up..
>
> A few days later I received an e-mail (again from the same e-mail address)
> asking if I was still interested in the trip! I responded referring them to
> their acknowledgement of the money. That night I had a phone call from the
> company advising that they knew nothing of the money or the acknowledgement.
> I sent them copies of all the exchanges. I have now received advice that
> someone at their end has been arrested and that the birding company will
> recognise the payment and my trip is on.
>
> In researching the situation I have come to understand 2 key things
>
> 1) NEVER SEND MONEY TO A BUSINESS THROUGH WESTERN UNION. It might be fine for
> sending instant cash to a friend or family member through WU but should not
> be used for business transactions. This is because the security is pretty
> small. If you receive a request from a bird guide to send money through WU I
> suggest you phone the guide and say you need bank details. money sent through
> a bank is more traceable.
>
> 2) NEVER RESPOND TO AN E-MAIL FROM AN “UNKNOWN” PARTY BY HITTING THE REPLY
> KEY. My tech savvy brother has made me aware that it is quite easy for
> someone setting out to do a scam to send an e-mail appearing to come from
> e-mail address A but for the reply to actually go to a different e-mail
> address B. If you have the genuine e-mail address in your address book and
> use that to address the e-mail rather than hit the reply button you know what
> address the e-mail has actually gone to.
>
>
> I stress that the birding company and Western Union appear to have behaved
> honourably at all times. I also appreciate that it is only through their
> efforts the perpetrator of the attempted fraud appears to have been caught. I
> will, however, be more careful in the future and thought it worth sharing
> this experience with other birders who might be thinking of chasing birds in
> distant parts of the globe.
> regards
> Peter Marsh
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