Richard,
You are pulling a bit of a long bow there, unless you have hard data to prove
you statement. Or is this one of those "facts that everyone knows".
Carl Clifford
On 17/08/2012, at 1:06 PM, Richard Baxter <> wrote:
> Steve, Shirley, Denise
>
> Our scientific community traps, mist nets, tags, bands, handles, takes blood
> samples, cannon nets, radio tags, egg collects, shoots and generally disturbs
> more birds in any week of the year than all Australia's twitchers combined
> over the last 100years!
>
> Mmmmmm!
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 17/08/2012, at 10:37 AM, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
>> Maybe, but when people want close photos of raptors, they seem to build a
>> tower with a hide on top, and wait for the birds to get used to it. Surely
>> climbing the tree would just result in the birds flying away and not coming
>> back till you're gone, if ever.
>>
>> Peter Shute
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Tongue
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 9:52 AM
>>> To: Peter Shute
>>> Cc: 'Denise Goodfellow'; Birding Aus
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Red Goshawk harrassment
>>>
>>> Or over-zealous photographer??
>>>
>>> John Tongue
>>> Ulverstone, Tas.
>>>
>>> On 17/08/2012, at 9:24 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
>>>
>>>> Climbing the tree doesn't sound like normal birder bad behaviour. That
>>> sounds more like an egg collector.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [birding-aus-
>>>>> On Behalf Of Denise Goodfellow
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 7:43 AM
>>>>> To: Birding Aus
>>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Red Goshawk harrassment
>>>>>
>>>>> While in Mataranka recently I heard about the behaviour of some
>>> birders
>>>>> towards the Red Goshawk near Bitter Springs. Some had climbed the
>>> fence
>>>>> into private property and one, according to the proprietor of the
>>> nearby
>>>>> caravan park , had even climbed the tree in which the bird nested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Several other birders (thirty or forty according to the proprietor)
>>> had
>>>>> camped outside their property opposite the nesting tree.
>>>>> That year, according to the proprietor, the birds didn't raise any
>>>>> young.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some years ago I warned birders of the ramifications of bad behaviour
>>> re
>>>>> entry to the Leanyer Sewage Ponds. The result was that access to the
>>>>> ponds
>>>>> was tightened considerably.
>>>>>
>>>>> The goshawks have now shifted their nest well away from the road. If
>>>>> they
>>>>> shift it again then the bird may well be out of sight of visiting
>>>>> birders,
>>>>> and they'll be dependent on the goodwill of the owner of that
>>> property
>>>>> to
>>>>> let them in. I think that reserve of goodwill may be wearing thin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>>>>> 1/7 Songlark Street,
>>>>> Bakewell, NT 0832
>>>>> 043 8650 835
>>>>>
>>>>> PhD candidate, SCU
>>>>> Vice-chair, Wildlife Tourism Australia
>>>>> Nominated for the Condé Nast international ecotourism award, 2004 by
>>> the
>>>>> renowned American website, Earthfoot.
>>>>> Wildlife Adviser, BBC¹s ŒDeadly 60¹
>>>>>
>>>>> Birds of Australia's Top End and Quiet Snake Dreaming available on
>>>>> amazon.com
>>>>> A second edition of Fauna of Australia¹s Top End used by the
>>> University
>>>>> of
>>>>> NSW as a text for 12 years is now under preparation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'It gave me huge insight into the lives' of Aboriginal Australians¹,
>>>>> Jonathon Franzen, American author, birder, conservationist (August,
>>>>> 2011)
>>>>> on Quiet Snake Dreaming.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.denisegoodfellow.com ( to be launched again soon).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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