Hunting in NPs

To: Wes Tolhurst <>, "" <>
Subject: Hunting in NPs
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:30:40 -0700 (PDT)
Dear Wes,

Despite all the clarifying e-mails by others you keep incorrectly mixing up two 
issues (1) ferals and (2) recreational hunters.
(1) Everyone agrees that ferals (many of which were introduced FOR the 
recreational hunters!) need to be eradicated and that this needs to be done 

(2) You said that most recreational hunters "have an environmental conscience 
and know the animals of the bush far better than most city greenies". I am not 
so sure about that. Do you have a statistical proof for such statements? With 
the same amount of scientific proof I could say that most recreational hunters 
cannot tell a Brush-tailed Rock-Wallaby - and even less so a Common Wombat - 
from a Pig.What is 'environmental conscience'? I know people who love 'nature' 
but they are talking of golf courses, farm fields, pine tree monocultures, 
gardens with exotic plants...!

There is need for clear definitions and facts.My point here is that we have to 
be professional! You can't argue the way you do.



Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW

From: Wes Tolhurst <>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: Hunting in NPs

Dear Storm and Others,

I wonder whether a pig can tell the difference between a mallard or a swan or a 
freckled duck.  One of the reasons I picked up a compound bow and started 
hunting on my birding trips was because I would see things like pigs feeding on 
semi-fledged brolgas and not be able to do a single thing about it.  The 
hunters (and I exclude those that hunt native Australian birds like the knuckle 
headed duck shooters from this bracket) I know are nearly all rec hunters.  And 
all of the ones I am friends with have an environmental conscience and know the 
animals of the bush far better than most city greenies I know (and yes I know 
heaps of them too).  

I think it is pure trickery to cite one or two examples of people that have 
done the wrong thing paint hunters across the board as being tarred with the 
same brush.  That's infantile logic.  Perhaps we should claim that the ref in 
the latest State of Origin did a less than par job therefore all refs are 
gooses!  I'm sorry, I digress :)

And though not every hunter hunts for feral eradication, I am one hunter would 
be be ecstatic if every feral was gone and I had to sell my bow.  I know there 
are some that do the wrong thing but I believe this is a very very small 
percetage - given the many that I interact with.  

I am not so naive to think that the political manoeuvring doesn't seem a bit 
suss.  But I know that every time I take out a feral, it means that there are 
going to be many more natives have a fairer go.  And I believe that does make a 
difference.  I choose to use a bow because it has the smallest environmental 
impact... they are silent, have a short effective range (50 metres) and very 

If pro shooting was being so effective, then we would have no ferals - the 
truth is that there are more now than there ever have been.  And we are all 
responsible for that.  Let's do all we can to give our natives a chance.  

Eric, you said "Why would they want access to national parks when pest species 
are already widespread across vast public areas of the state?"  The only places 
hunters can legally hunt ferals atm is on private land or with special 
permission (the same system being suggested for NP) in some state forests.  
Contrary to your comment, National Parks are actually public areas.  They were 
set up for the public's enjoyment of natural wonders.  It is very difficult for 
most guys in NSW to find somewhere to hunt because they are mostly restricted 
to private land.  Contrary to what many believe, in the State Forests, to get 
access you need to do a thorough training course to receive an R License, then 
apply to hunt a specific place at a specific time, a specific way.  e.g.  Some 
forests or bow only.  You need to demonstrate exactly where the hunt is (away 
from any areas that may hold general public etc).  After all that, you need to 
report feral activity

Bob, I have before read the quote that Ground shooting of pigs is not effective 
in reducing the pig populations etc.  It was a government organisation that 
made that claim so we can read "it was not cost effective in reducing..."  They 
only have limited funds for feral erradication.  Usually they concentrate on 
baiting (now there is a truely inhuman practice) or aerial shooting - very 
effective but very expensive.  

All that is required for evil (feral animals) to prosper is for good men to do 

Are some of you trying to tell me that if you had an endangered nesting bird on 
your own property and knew that a fox was stalking it you wouldn't do whatever 
you were legally entitled to do to protect the birds?  Of course you would.  
Same principal in my opinion.  

I think we're all on the same team really.  Just different perspectives.  


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