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couple of questions

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Subject: couple of questions
From: David James <>
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:10:35 -0700 (PDT)
I cannot answer to the second question posed by Tony Lawson's friend:

<What is it about WA that 'fades' birds?! eg Yellow-tailed to White-tailed 
Black-cockies; Eastern Yellow to Western Yellow and White-breasted Robins. >
 
Firstly, the question is not posed in a way it can be answered. It is a 
question about the evolution of colour in certain bird taxa, not about WA. 
Really, the question is compound: "why have some species pairs/groups of birds 
evolved yellow forms and white forms in different geographical areas?" and "is 
the same reason(s) involved for robins and cockatoos?". Answers to these will 
require answers to "how did each species group evolve?" and "what is the 
evolutionary function of the colours in each group?". Answer these 4 questions 
and it should be clear whether "WA" is a causal factor in these two groups or 
whether it is coincidental. 
 
Secondly, the question is based on a premise that is probably false. There are 
plenty of brightly coloured birds and many other colours in WA, as Frank has 
noted, and plenty of faded birds in the east. There is no answer to the 
question, "why is the sky yellow?".
 
Tempting as it might be to think so, there is probably nothing in the water in 
WA that makes things dull :-)  
 
The first question <why are NZ birds generally less brightly coloured than east 
coast Australian ones?> presents similar problems. However, in this case I 
suggest that the premise is based on a biased view that Australia has brighter 
coloured birds than NZ does. It does, but it also has duller-coloured ones like 
Brown Gerygone, Brown Honeyeater, Large-billed Scrubwren, Jacky Winter, 
etc. These all have different evolutionary reasons for being dull in colour. NZ 
simply has fewer bright bird species, fewer dull bird species, fewer bird 
species, less evolutionary radiation of birds, less variety. Which begs the 
question, why....
 
From: Frank O'Connor <>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: couple of questions



Tony Lawson posed the question :

2. What is it about WA that 'fades' birds?! eg Yellow-tailed to White-tailed 
Black-cockies; Eastern Yellow to Western Yellow and White-breasted Robins. 


I disagree.  Western Spinebill vs Eastern Spinebill. 
Splendid Fairy-wren vs Superb Fairy-wren.  Red-capped Parrot vs
???  And Western Rosella and Red-eared Firetail hold their own. 
_________________________________________________________________
Frank O'Connor           Birding WA http://birdingwa.iinet.net.au
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