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Subject: Cocos-Christmas
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:48:57 +1100
Legally I believe they are part of Qld - just as Lord Howe is part of NSW.

On 9 January 2011 17:40,  <
> wrote:

> Great to see a separate column on your site now Tony giving the totals
> without external territories. I have no problem with either sides of "the
> fence" and can understand both arguments, but it is interesting to have it
> split. I know i won't be in a position to get there any time soon so its
> great to be able to compare totals on a more level field.
>
> I know this has probably been discussed before, but why isn't Australian
> Antarctic territory able to be counted?
>
> Also are Boigu and Sabai counted in the separation into territories or are
> they "mainland" Australia? I must confess I find it amusing how close they
> are to mainland PNG! Sorry - not wanting to open another can, but i am
> genuinely curious.
>
> Cheers
> David Stowe
>
>
> On 09/01/2011, at 1:37 PM, Tony Palliser wrote:
>
> > For many birding is a listing game (myself included) and even though
> Cocos
> > and Christmas is a long way from the mainland many like to include
> species
> > from such localities on their lists as they are part of Australia and
> > furthermore they are fantastic places to visit.  Naturally if you are a
> > world lister chances are you would be better off visiting another country
> > but others would argue that it is more exciting to find a rarity in your
> own
> > country or territory than to see birds that are just ticks overseas (many
> of
> > which will be forgotten not long after seeing them).
> >
> > Some of us like to maintain world lists, country lists, state lists,
> family
> > lists, year lists etc, so it is all a matter of what you are collecting
> as
> > an individual. The positive side to Cocos and Christmas Island is that
> (a)
> > they are including within our Christidis and Boles checklist (b) It has
> > greatly increased our knowledge and awareness of the wildlife of these
> areas
> > (c) provided valuable tourism dollars for those that live there and (d)
> > further highlighted the conservation requirements and (e) it's a great
> > excuse to visit places one would never normally venture to - one of the
> > reasons in my opinion that birding is such a wonderful pastime.
> >
> > Sure if a common bird which you have seen many times overseas turns up on
> > Cocos (Common teal for example) it would be a very costly exercise to
> twitch
> > it but if a once in a life time weather system is turning up lots of
> birds
> > then it does become viable and a great deal of fun and finding a new bird
> > like a European Roller for Cocos/Australia is very exciting and for me
> > seeing a new family in some distant overseas country is just as
> rewarding. I
> > reckon if you want a big Australian list and are prepared to include
> > external territories then now is the time to consider a trip to Cocos and
> > Christmas Islands.
> >
> > That said I do agree that adding the Falklands to the British List is
> just
> > not on and including Cocos and Christmas Islands is not that different,
> but
> > again it does help to promote the conservation of wildlife at these
> > localities so I remain firmly in favour of including them.
> >
> > To make our listing game a little more interesting I have enhanced the
> > totals page recently to include mainland totals - just for fun of course.
> >
> > http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
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