What the heck do we call the Koel?

To: Patrick Scully <>, "" <>
Subject: What the heck do we call the Koel?
From: Tim Dolby <>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:13:30 +0000

This is my understanding of the current naming status of Eudynamys orientalis:

- Christides and Boles 2008 use the name Eastern Koel, and is treated as 
conspecific with Common Koel E. scolopacea. Note that Birds Australia uses C&B 

- The Clements Checklist of Birds of the World produced by Cornell Lab of 
Ornithology use the name Australian Koel. Birdline International follows 

- Schodde & Mason (1997, 1999) use the name Pacific Koel.

Most Australian birders use the Christides & Boles 2008 checklist, and as a 
consequence use the term Eastern Koel.

By my reckoning, almost certainly the confusion over the name in Australia is 
based on the fact that Eremaea uses the Clements Checklist, noting that Eremaea 
is an international service and has an international dataset. As a consequence 
the Australian Birdline services (sponsored by Birds Australia and hosted by 
Eremaea) also use the Clements Checklist, thus using Clements name Australian 

The dilemma for the moderators of this service is that every time someone 
enters Eastern, Common and less commonly Pacific Koel, do we change the name to 
be in line with Clements or just leave it as is. (Noting that it gets entered 
in the Eremaea dataset as Australian Koel - and when it is transfered to the 
Birds Australia Atlas is it converted to Eastern Koel).

At this stage I tend to leave it as it, and thus we have several names in 
Birdline for the same bird. There are a quite a few other examples like this - 
the most recent for me being Grey vs Gray-streaked Flycatcher (or indeed Gray 
vs Grey Falcon), and of course the Albatross are a real issue of debate. But 
I'm not going there....

Hope this makes sense.


Tim Dolby
From:   on 
behalf of Patrick Scully 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: What the heck do we call the Koel?

Hi All,
After reading of the the reported Koel at Victoria Bridge, Richmond, I poped
down there yesterday and heard a Koel calling (I recognised the call after
hearing and seeing  it in Newcastle) for around ten minutes. I didn't have
the time to look further but it was on the East side of the river (opposite
side to the bike track) just upstream of the bridge. later like the other
person,  I pondered on the correct name, as it was reported as both the
Eastern and the Austrlian Koel. My old Simpson and day calls it the Common
Koel as does my Morcombe, Pizzey and Knight 8th Ed calls it the Eastern Koel
and the most recent Simpson and Day (2010) calls it the Eastern (Common)
Koel. If it is now properly called the Australian Koel?, does this mean that
it does not migrate to PNG and Indonesia?
Happy birding,
Patrick Scully

To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
send the message:
(in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
This email, including any attachment, is intended solely for the use of the 
intended recipient. It is confidential and may contain personal information or 
be subject to legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended 
recipient any use, disclosure, reproduction or storage of it is unauthorised. 
If you have received this email in error, please advise the sender via return 
email and delete it from your system immediately. Victoria University does not 
warrant that this email is free from viruses or defects and accepts no 
liability for any damage caused by such viruses or defects.
To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
send the message:
(in the body of the message, with no Subject line)
<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>

The University of NSW School of Computer and Engineering takes no responsibility for the contents of this archive. It is purely a compilation of material sent by many people to the birding-aus mailing list. It has not been checked for accuracy nor its content verified in any way. If you wish to get material removed from the archive or have other queries about the archive e-mail Andrew Taylor at this address: andrewt@cse.unsw.EDU.AU