Wader ID

To: Jeff Davies <>
Subject: Wader ID
From: Phil Straw <>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:24:53 +1100
HI Geoff,

the image is burned out due to over exposure and blurred to boot. I must admit Grey-tailed Tattlers are usually in fresh plumage, Wandering Tattlers on the other hand often have worn feathers, but it isn't a Wandering Tattler. I see where you are coming from but wouldn't like to commit with the material available. If Mark brings all of his images to the workshop we might be able to work it out.


On 18/10/2009, at 3:30 PM, Jeff Davies wrote:

G'day Phil,

I agree with Sharp-tailed Sand for image 1, and juvenile Red Knot for image 3, but I suspect image 2 is not a Tattler but also a Knot moulting out of worn breeding plumage( note the trashed wing) the question is which species. At first glance the dumpy shape, general plainness of the fresh plumage, obvious pale supercilium and plain grey fresh scapulars would suggest a longish billed Red Knot. But the bird has some very entirely black retained worn scapulars and not one retained orange belly feather( although they could of all been replaced) and the dark centred feathers on the sides of the breast are a problem. I suspect this bird may in fact be a Great Knot.

Cheers Jeff Davies.

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Phil Straw
Sent: Sunday, 18 October 2009 12:27 AM
To: Birding Aus; 
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Wader ID

Hi Mark,

You have reasonably clear photos of Grey-tailed Tattler, Red Knot,
Sharp-tailed Sandpiper, Ruddy Turnstone and Red-necked Stint and a
bird with a very blurred head.

Suggest, if you have time you come along to the advanced shorebird
workshop being put on by BASNA in Sydney on 8th November. We will be
covering a lot of species as well as ageing and sexing in the field.
The Shorebirds 2020 workshop on 7th November may also be of interest,
and that one is free. Not sure if there are places left for either at
this stage.


Begin forwarded message:

From: Birds Australia <>
Date: 15 October 2009 10:10:21 AM AEDT
To: BASNA <>
Subject: BASNA e-News 15th October 2009

BASNA e-News 15th October 2009

Do you want to help Waders?

Are you interested in Shorebird conservation, and would like to
assist with population counts in your local area?
Getting in touch with existing shorebird contacts is the best way to
find out about existing counting activities as well as get support
from experienced shorebird counters whilst learning.
If you are interested, but are not confident in wader identification
or how to count them, Birds Australia is conducting a shorebird
workshop on Saturday 7 November at the Birds Australia Discovery
Centre. The day will consist of a morning indoor session covering
shorebird ecology, identification and counting, followed by a field
trip to see various shorebirds in their habitats in the Parramatta
River estuary.

Meet at the Armory gate, by the Parramatta River, at the end of
Jamieson St at  8:45 am  - plenty of parking nearby. The day will
finish at 3:00 pm.
If you need a lift, let us know.
This is a free workshop, supported by the Shorebirds 2020 project.

Contact Pixie at the BASNA office Tel: 02 9647 1033

Phil Straw at 

And don't forget that there is the advanced workshop on the
following day (see below) for those who feel confident and would
like to learn more.

More Waders for Birders
Sunday November 8th
Venue to be advised
8:30 am - 3.00 pm approx

This course is aimed at those who already have some knowledge of
shorebirds and would like to build on this. By the end of the day we
hope you will:
.      Have improved your identification knowledge by learning
advanced ID skills
. Be able to determine the sex and age of shorebirds in the field
.      Be able to spot a wader that looks out of the ordinary
.      Have a better understanding of wader feeding ecology and how
this is beneficial in the field
.      Shorebird migration
.      How much of the declines in numbers are a result of impacts
in the Flyway and in Australia
.      What is being done about Shorebird conservation

The course will be presented by Phil Straw, Phil has been a
professional ornithologist for much of his time since 1960. He is
now a consultant avian and wetlands ecologist working full time on
shorebird habitat assessment, restoration, design or construction in
Australia as well as other parts of the East Asian Australasian
Flyway. Much of his spare time as Vice Chairman of the Australian
Wader Studies Group is spent on shorebird conservation.

This will be classroom based with field trip activity.
Numbers will be limited so book early by returning a registration
form from our Sydney office.
To request a form, email   or call Pixie
at BASNA office. Ph: (02) 9647 1033 for more information.
$59 for Birds Australia members and $69 for non-members (incl GST)
What to bring:
.        Binoculars
.        Lunch
.        Water
.        Sunblock & hat (recommended)
.        Wet weather gear (if wet).
.        Spotting scope (optional)

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