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Thermals and birds

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Subject: Thermals and birds
From: Andy Burton <>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:44:09 +1100

I've been away and just noted this thread.

On 24th December 1988, in Artarmon a northern Sydney suburb, I saw a flock of 150 - 200 Needletails flying in two, neat, concentric circles, one group of birds above the other. A majority of the birds were flying anti-clockwise with the balance flying clockwise. They were quite high up and as they flew the flock drifted slowly to the north. They were probably 'drifting' against a north-easterly breeze so possibly not in a thermal, however it was a spectacular and interesting sight.

Andy Burton







Jenny Spry asked "When seen from below, which way do birds spiral around a thermal as they rise? Do they spiral clockwise? Do they spiral anti-clockwise? Is it random? Do thermals rotate or rise vertically with no rotation?"

Low pressure cells (cyclones) in Australia (well the whole southern hemisphere actually) circulate clockwise due to the coriolis effect. I would have been surprised if a rising column of air, which is (to some extent) what a low pressure cell is on a large scale, doesn't behave the same way - and a quick google encountered this link from a site for glider pilots which confirmed that view (in perfect conditions), and the best flight was achieved against the rotation. (Although the article then starts to get a bit complicated with indications that winds can cause the thermal to spin in an anti-clockwise direction!) http://www.soartech-aero.com/Thermals.htm Hence the birds circle against rather than with the air flow, which is more efficient as they let the air do the work of both forward flight and lifting them as it rises. What would be interesting is whether northern hemisphere birds circle (mostly) clockwise - one would assume that they do.
Cheers
Tom Wilson


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