Basically two other guys did the comparison between IOC and Clements 6, and
I then updated it for Birdlife Int. It's a bit confusing in places as is I
think inevitable!
On 21/01/2008, Peter Ewin <> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Did you derive your comparison list from the Book itself or from the
> information on the website? I haven't bought the book (after buying Clements
> & Howard & Moore I thought an internet resource would be enough). However,
> there taxonomy is obviously different from both (though what I have looked
> at slightly closer to H&M) but I could find no information on tthe website
> regarding how they decided the taxonomy to use (though lots of details on
> how they came up with the accepted common names and reactions from bird
> groups though I note nothing from Birds Australia at this stage).
> Any ideas on this would be appreciated.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:21 +1100
> > From:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Birdstack
> > CC:
> >
> > Aren't names wonderful! The current IOC list compared to Birdlife Int
> and
> > Clements 6 is on my website at
> > http://birdingsites.com.au/WorldChecklist.html. Or you could check out
> > http://www.worldbirdnames.org/index.html.
> >
> > But I agree on taxonomy - will be interesting to see how quickly the 3
> > Aussie ones update for the new C&B - will this new one cope with those
> > changes? And then there is the issue of what to do when the Aussie
> treatment
> > differs from the International one, as I understand is the case for
> > Albatrosses. Should an Aussie site use C&B for endemics and
> International
> > recommendations for albatrosses etc? Or should it (for those with
> > international pretensions such as Eremaea?) use both depending on where
> you
> > are birding????
> >
> > On 21/01/2008, Russell Woodford <> wrote:
> > >
> > > One more concern about the increase in online bird databases is
> > > consistency - Birdstack looks very user-friendly, but I'm not sure
> about
> > > the taxonomic choices it has made. I would have thought that a
> database
> > > would use one of the "standard" references, Sibley & Monroe or
> Clements or
> > > their derivatives. Birdstack instead uses "International
> Ornithological
> > > Congress's Birds of the World: Recommended English Names"(Gill and
> > > Wright). Is this now the standard reference? Is it derived from S&M or
> > > Clements? It isn't really clear, and it probably should be clear - or
> > > maybe the IOC list renders these other lists obsolete?
> > >
> > > Anyway, my point is that not only do we have another online database
> (a
> > > way of aggregating all the records of all the big online databases
> would
> > > make more sense) but we seem to have yet another way of naming the
> world's
> > > birds! Too confusing for me.
> > >
> > > All I wanted was some more information on the elusive Large Lifou
> > > White-Eye - but now I see that it is called the Forest White-Eye.
> > > Obviously I was looking for the wrong bird!!!!!
> > >
> > > (More about my total failure to see an "easy" endemic later when I
> write
> > > up my trip report ...)
> > >
> > > Russell Woodford
> > >
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