Collecting birds

Subject: Collecting birds
From: "Andrew Noosa" <>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:04:34 +1000
Hi all
Isn't it amazing the range of viewpoints we have on this list. Judy describes "killing" as an emotive word and calls for bureaucratisation ("protocols") to stop bad-science collecting in the future. She shies away from "moral indignation" or, as Mick might say, "casting aspersions". I agree that basic respect and politeness are important. But is it not a healthy thing for entrenched practices that shroud themselves in euphemism to be challenged by frank declarations that they are no longer in accord with community values? Yes, Gilbert and Gould did valuable things for ornithology - but that was in another age. It is no aspersion to say that the practices used by Gilbert are no longer acceptable. So let's be frank about it. A bit of moral indignation from time to time does wonders to modernise ossified systems and challenge personal value systems. Who can read the first-hand account of the "collecting" of the last known Great Auk and not feel that some people sometimes need a wake-up call. Who is responsible for giving that call if not those of us who care?
PS my purpose in writing this email has not been to offend Judy and Mick. There was alot more to their emails. I just wanted to make a few points about the role of people getting upset about issues and I have focussed on that.

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