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Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 85, Issue 13

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Subject: Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 85, Issue 13
From: Michael Hunter <>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 23:24:53 +1100
It's the nesting sites  

Where do they next in our Capital ! Has anyone checked  the Parliament Houses 
for these particular parasites. ?
Tree hollows would be limited in Canberra.



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>   1. Re: Common Mynas (Geoffrey Dabb)
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> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 08:54:28 +1100
> From: "Geoffrey Dabb" <>
> To: "'Martin Butterfield'" <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Common Mynas
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> I was not going to say anything about this, but I do have something to 
> report.  As Martin says, the Canberra anti-IM/CM group has had considerable 
> success in reducing the species around Canberra.  Canberrans have moved on, 
> and concurrently with this discussion have been talking about whether and how 
> to reduce NOISY MINER numbers around Canberra.  That species has increased 
> dramatically in the suburbs,  and the current spring has been particularly 
> good for them.
> 
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> What I have to report is the following. A few years ago Noisy Miners 
> colonised a nearby suburban park.  About three years ago, a pair of IMs 
> disappeared from the park, where they had used a particular hollow.  A case 
> of being out-minered, I thought at the time.  Just this morning, on the early 
> dog-walk, I came across one of those flurries of bird interaction.  A Noisy 
> Miner was engaged in vigorous and sustained pursuit of an IM, one of two that 
> had reappeared.  Other Noisy Miners appeared and chased the pair of IMs from 
> the park.  If the latter do not reappear, I would take this as evidence that 
> in some situations one species excludes the other.  
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> What usually happens now is that someone says ?Oh no.  Here in Lower Birdwell 
> both species live together quite happily.? 
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> From: Birding-Aus <> On Behalf Of Martin 
> Butterfield
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2020 11:43 AM
> To: Tony Russell <>
> Cc: Birding-Aus <>; Geoff Ryan 
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Common Mynas
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> Dear Ancient Twitcher
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> The Canberra Indian Miyna Action Group has done an excellent job of stopping 
> the increase of the pests in Canberra .  However as another ancient twitcher 
> said quite a few years ago "They'll never get rid of the Mynas until they get 
> rid of the stables at Queanbeyan and Canberra race tracks."
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> Martin Butterfield
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 10:56, Tony Russell < 
> <> > wrote:
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> All this debate about Mynas, common or Indian, is all very interesting but 
> doesn't solve anything. They are HERE and there's no way to get rid of them. 
> They are as common as sparrows and starlings, get used to them and live with 
> it, just as we do with other introduced species. Sorry fellas, you are 
> wasting your breath.
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> 
> Ancient twitcher.
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 08:27, < 
> <> > wrote:
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> I could not agree more Geoff and, for the benefit of the birds, I am now 
> embarking on a wide ranging policy of human genocide. Please join me.
> 
> 
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> While this policy may attract its critics, it is clearly the best approach to 
> solving the current environmental problems, including those caused by 
> introduced species.
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> 
> Taking responsibility for human introduced species is, of course, silly. We 
> should embrace their impact and pacify ourselves by staring guiltily at any 
> available mirror.
> 
> 
> 
> Geoff, you have got me on a bad day. However what good is guilt and what 
> solutions do you offer or are you seriously suggesting that we should just 
> ignore introduced species?
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> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ken Cross
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> From: Birding-Aus < 
> <> > On Behalf Of Geoff Ryan
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2020 6:11 AM
> To:  <> 
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Common Mynas
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> I am surprised that, on a birding site, some still use the misnomer of 
> 'Indian Myna', for Acridotheres tristis. The accepted common name is 'Common 
> Myna'. And the introduced bird is common up and down the east coast of 
> Australia with varying densities. Populations also extend well inland in 
> certain areas. No doubt it is aggressively successful and competes with 
> native birds when it occurs in dense populations. However the Common Myna is 
> not as widespread, or in such dense populations, as its close relative the 
> Common Starling. Sturnus vulgaris which also competes with native wildlife.
> 
> 
> 
> In recent travels I have also noticed that populations of House Sparrows have 
> spread into remote agricultural, pastoral and bush areas, well away from 
> houses. All these introduced birds, including the Common Blackbird and the 
> Spotted Dove, appear to be increasing their range and, presumably, their 
> impact on native birds.
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> 
> 
> However, before we get sanctimonious and judgemental about these birds we 
> should consider, carefully, what we could do about the one species that is 
> far more destructive, widespread and invasive than all these and the major 
> cause for the reduction of our native bird populations and species. It is the 
> species we see when we look in the mirror. 
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> Perhaps we should accept the blame and not deflect our guilt onto introduced 
> bird populations. 
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> Geoff
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