If you mean physical characteristic then no, but in terms of being unrecognised then yes, cf Cryptic Warbler from Madagascar, unrecognised as so like some jery species until the call was noted. Exactly the same with Cryptic Honeyeater which has distinctive scolds, one of the flags for it being different Well done Lloyd for sorting out such a tricky species.
Phil Gregory ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
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Ah , so "Cryptic" is not so much descriptive of the bird itself, as say is "White-plumed Honeyeater" ?? Sent from my iPhone On 29 Jan 2020, at 4:00 am, m("birding-aus.org","birding-aus-request");" class=""> wrote:
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Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than males? Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than females of the closely related species?
In short, no
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Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than males? Are the females of this new one any more cryptic than females of the closely related species?
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I think we should all just get a life and accept cryptic. . It's not worth
all this chit chat. What's in a name ( to quote someone obscure.)
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 07:40, Phil Gregory <m("gmail.com","oreornis");" class="">> wrote:
" *Cryptic" is a sexy name, (with Herpetological overtones), but is the
bird actually or unusually that much more camouflaged or difficult to see
than other Honeyeaters? Is it generally so different to look at or listen
to that a new name is really necessary ? (With apologies to armchair
twitchers, of which I am now one, having seen the bird but not appreciated
its uniqueness)*
Well yes, it?s part of what was the Meliphaga group (now Microptilotis for
many) and is extremely similar to Graceful Honeyeater, a critic species if
ever there was one and hence the choice of name. Within that group in New
Guinea there are likely to be several more as yet unrecognised cryptic
species, so I think Cryptic is appropriate and Lloyd was happy with it
after lengthy discussions with him and IOC folks about what on earth to
call it.
Regards from Kagoshima.
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" Cryptic" is a sexy name, (with Herpetological overtones), but is the
bird actually or unusually that much more camouflaged or difficult to see
than other Honeyeaters? Is it generally so different to look at or listen
to that a new name is really necessary ? (With apologies to armchair
twitchers, of which I am now one, having seen the bird but not appreciated
its uniqueness)
Michael
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In reply to Greg Roberts' email of 21 Jan "Death by barbed wire":
"This subject was addressed in Andrew Ley's paper "Bird casualties in fences
in Diamantina National Park, Queensland, 1996-2008" published in Australian
Field Ornithology in 2008."
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