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Hi Barney,
I greatly enjoyed reading your historical account of DDT.
Thank you,
Patrick Scully
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:13:05 +0000
> From: martin cachard <>
> To: Peter Madvig <>, 'Judith L-A'
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Wim Vader
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> here here !! I couldn't agree more...
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> Wim's posts on here are an absolute breath of fresh air...
>
> cheers to Wim,
>
>
> martin cachard
>
>
> trinity beach, cairns, FNQ
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> Madvig <>
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> And so say we all......!! :-)
> Peter M.
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> Judith L-A
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2018 2:32 PM
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Wim Vader
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>
> So agree with you, Kath. For years I?ve been reading Wim Vader?s posts. They
> are glorious descriptions that should really make a Natural History book,
> being so observant & complete. This latest pays particular note to
> climate-change effects on species, synchronicities, & life histories. And
> just beautifully written. Thank you, Wim.
>
> Judith
> 500m SEQ
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> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:32:36 +0000
> From: martin cachard <>
> To: Judith L-A <>, ""
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] PS: why is it so?
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> I couldn't agree with you more Judith - I was about to make the same two
> points last night on here, but you beat me to it...
>
>
> and applying adjectives such as common, uncommon, sparse etc. to apex
> predatory bird species such as the Peregrine Falcon, is always going to be
> difficult and subjective when describing their abundance &/or likelihood of
> being encountered.
>
> by virtue of being at the top of the food chain, and because in Australia
> adult pairs form large breeding teritories, in my opinion, I think it's fair
> to describe our Peregrine as 'moderately common' .
>
> personally, I really like the way the new CSIRO 'Aust Bird Guide' has chosen
> the pie chart approach for describing each species' abundance &/or likelihood
> of being encountered - and, if you refer to the Peregrine in this guide, you
> will note that it gets a '50/50 chance' - which I think is absolutely spot
> on !!
>
>
> cheers for now,
>
>
> martin cachard
>
>
>
> solar whisper wildlife cruises,
>
> daintree river, FNQ
>
>
> & trinity beach, cairns, FNQ
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Judith
> L-A <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2018 5:09 PM
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] PS: why is it so?
>
> Thinking about all your replies, two notions occur to me ?
> First, that it?s likely characteristic of this literary form (i.e. the
> journal-style natural history) that it telescopes time, so that sightings of
> such a ?glamour? species seem populous within the book?s geography due to the
> author?s thrilled recording of every peregrine?s passage, within compressed
> time, & at disproportionate coverage compared to all other species recorded.
> Secondly, the northern-hemisphere peregrines are migratory (in contrast to
> the sedentary habits of Australian breeding adults [Debus 2001]) ? so at any
> one location surely here we will rarely see more than the same pair, & where
> the habitat is unsuitable are unlikely ever to see the species. Britishers,
> though, in the Ansell DEEP COUNTRY example, will see the species coming &
> going, as well as those seasonally staying.
> ?
> Judith
> SEQ 500m
>
>
>>
>>
>> Having just finished reading DEEP COUNTRY by Neil Ansell (five years in the
>> Welsh hills, alone in a remote world), which is an account of the birds'
>> lives there too, I've recalled how many British natural histories like this
>> are filled with raptors. Falcons particularly seem to course the British
>> skies as populously as swallows. When you think how rare & fortunate it is
>> to see a Peregrine streak by in Australia ? Is it really like that in
>> Britain? ... & if so, why are the peregrine falcons so sparse here?
>>
>> Judith
>> SEQ 500m
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:24:12 +1100
> From: Bill Stent <>
> To:
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Canberra's Little Eagles - in the eye of a
> coming storm
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> Hi folks, Bill the moderator here.
>
> I've received this message from Geoffrey Dabb who has
> been having trouble posting.
>
> Replies to him directly please.
>
>
>
>
> A large housing development on Canberra?s outskirts has caused a dispute
> about buffers and corridors for a small number of Little Eagles. The ACT
> government has launched a major research project on the eagle (involving
> video cameras at 2 nests, which were subsequently abandoned.) Government
> officials have been tramping over Canberra?s hills to find as many Little
> Eagles as possible. A recent article in Canberra Bird Notes has attacked
> the evidence on which the Little Eagle was found to be a vulnerable
> species. It seems very likely that the threatened status of the Little
> Eagle in the ACT will be reviewed.
>
>
>
> Because the Little Eagle is widespread across Australia, this raises a
> basic question of conservation philosophy ? the concept of ?small-area
> extinction?. The Little Eagle is not listed as threatened nationally but it
> is vulnerable in the ACT and NSW. Recent changes to conservation laws
> across Australia are aimed at a uniform approach. The Commonwealth has
> responsibility for assessing cross-border species, and, given its present
> view, the Little Eagle is not going to be listed nationally (assessed ?at
> the national scale??). That leaves the possibility under the new scheme of
> ?regional listing? within a particular jurisdiction. The new legislation
> in the ACT (an d I believe elsewhere) has adopted new ?regional criteria?
> that must have regard to IUCN regional criteria.
>
>
>
> The IUCN regional criteria (page 4) strongly discourage their application
> within very restricted geographical areas, particularly with respect to a
> wide-ranging taxon where ?the regional population will interchange
> individuals with neighbouring populations?. The Little Eagle is a good
> example of such a species. So are many other bird species now listed, and
> regionally protected, under State/Territory legislation. All threatened
> bird species in the ACT are probably at risk of delisting under the new
> regime. The same test must be applied within larger jurisdictions. Can
> NSW sustain the regional listing of the Little Eagle (or a number of other
> listed wide-ranging bird species) under the IUCN criteria?
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:51:07 +1000
> From: "Barney Enders" <>
> To: <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re the Peregrine Falcon.
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> Just catching up on a few post re. the Peregrine Falcons demise during the
> late 1950-60s.
>
>
>
> I had a phone call back in those days from the head of the Fisheries and
> Wildlife in Shepparton ( As they were called in those days) the late Jim
> Crozier an ex-Military Policeman feared by many a poacher in the Goulburn
> Valley. Vic .area and hated by lots of ex-Servicemen.
>
> I was told he had been asked to locate all the Peregrines Nests in the area
> and would I help by showing him the ones in the Swamps around Corop and
> along the Goulburn, Campaspe and Broken Rivers etc
>
>
>
> By now Australia was starting to wake up to the fact that D D T had entered
> the food chain of humans plus birds, animals etc and was thought to be
> causing several cancers etc and in the bird world it was causing the
> Peregrine Falcon to lay soft shelled eggs which were collapsing under the
> weight of the parent and he told me that the soft shell was allowing
>
> bacteria to get into the embryo and destroy it.
>
> The Falcon was being effected by eating birds, animals etc that were
> feeding on grain, insects etc or fish living in streams contaminated with D
> D T .
>
>
>
> D D T came to be known as the Wonder Chemical during World War 2 where it
> was used extensively for the control of Malaria carrying Mosquitoes which
> in turn helped control Typhus and other insect borne diseases, plus it was
> used to try and control Head Lice and Bed Lice in the troops.
>
>
>
> After the war it was used worldwide in the control of agriculture pests in
> the farming communities, it was cheap to make, lasted a long time in the
> environment and was highly effective.
>
> By 1960 Eighty Million Kilograms was produced annually.
>
> Malaria in 1946 was epidemic but by 1950 in the U S A it was almost zero.
>
>
>
> By the 1960s the Peregrine had declined worldwide and had completely
> disappeared from the Eastern States in the U S A , the Bald Eagle was
> decimated almost to extinction and a dramatic drop in the numbers of
> Pelicans and in England it was found to have entered the food chain and 40%
> of all butter sold in England and 60% of cream sold in the U S A was
> contaminated by D D T.
>
> It accumulates in the fatty tissues and can travel long distances in the
> upper atmosphere and today it can be found where it was never used like in
> the Artic and the Antarctic spread there by water and air.
>
>
>
> The Peregrine was like the Canary in the Coal Mines it gave humans the
> warning that chemical pollution was disrupting the environment and being top
> of the food chain was being greatly affected,
>
> Its use was banned in the U S A in 1972 and England followed in the early
> 1980s and Australia as usual was fifteen years behind America, but it wasn't
> until 2001 that a worldwide ban was brought in, it was effective in most
> countries but there are still some countries that use it to this day.
>
>
>
> The Falcons were very territorial in our district and although the swamps
> covered a few hundred hectares I never found more than one nest in each
> swamp and along the rivers they were several Kms apart.
>
> They nested in the hollows high up in the big River Redgums and after
> showing Jim I wished him luck in getting someone up to them, Red Gums are
> famous for large branches breaking off them with very little weight applied.
>
>
>
> At the time it didn't seem to have had the same effect on the Falcons living
> in the cities due to the fact that their main diet of Feral Pigeons ,Gulls
> etc were not eating contaminated grain etc, the country Falcons main diet
> was wild ducks ( It was called the " Duck Hawk " in most country areas in
> those days ) which lived on water insects ,Fluke snails and in our area when
> the Sub. Clover was being irrigated their main diet was Crickets, the waters
> were contaminated from rain and irrigation run off and the crickets were
> living in cracks in the ground that had been sprayed some times for many
> years.
>
>
>
> The numbers of breeding pairs plummeted in the district that we surveyed and
> although I don't live there these days, up until I left the numbers had
> never fully recovered.
>
>
>
> An interesting sideline to the story is there is a lot of research going on
> regarding Alzheimer's and D D T ,the people with Alzheimer's have four times
> the level of D D T in their bloodstreams than those that don't have the
> disease.
>
>
>
> Makes you think. don't it ????
>
>
>
> Barney
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:11:18 +0000
> From: Roaminoz - <>
> To: Wendy McWilliams <>,
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Have I been asleep?
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> I agree .. thanks for the advice Martin Butterfield.
> And I too would like an index as Wendy McWilliams suggests.
> Jude
> Burpengary Qld
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Wendy
> McWilliams <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2018 8:33 AM
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Have I been asleep?
>
> It's good they have done this, thanks for advice Martin Butterfield.
> But maybe they could do an index just of common birds names, not mixed in
> with the scientific names.
> This would save on paper too and be relevant for most users.
> CSIRO, could you do this please?
> Thanks
> Wendy McWilliams
> Glen Waverley
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:24:42 +1100
> From: Steve Clark <>
> To: Martin Butterfield <>, Birding-Aus
> <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Have I been asleep?
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> Hopefully the new index will find its way into the first revision. The new
> Birds of Indonesia book has the same problem with its index.
>
> Cheers
> Steve Clark
> Hamilton, Vic
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Martin Butterfield <>
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen any mention on this group about CSIRO releasing a pdf
>> file containing a traditional index for the Australian Bird as a .pdf
>> file <http://www.publish.csiro.au/book/6520/#extra>. Its 18 pages
> [http://www.publish.csiro.au/covers/6520.jpg]<http://www.publish.csiro.au/book/6520/#extra>
>
> The Australian Bird Guide, Peter Menkhorst, Danny Rogers
> ...<http://www.publish.csiro.au/book/6520/#extra>
> www.publish.csiro.au
> The Australian Bird Guide by Peter Menkhorst, Danny Rogers, Rohan Clarke,
> Jeff Davies, Peter Marsack, Kim Franklin published May 2017. The ISBN is
> 9780643097544. The ...
>
>
>
>> long but definitely legible if printed as 2 pages per A4 sheet (and
>> might be at 4 pages per sheet if really keen on cutting down weight
>> and not cutting down trees).
>>
>> Good to see a +ve response to criticism.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q3QpibtXUEw/WnQVe1p69zI/AAAAAAAA1Os/9HdVDtxH_2QcxbHCCOtjHtKJRBL4N7hSwCLcBGAs/s320/01%2BNice%2Bclouds.jpg1zB]<http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/>
>
> The House of Fran_mart<http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/>
> franmart.blogspot.com.au
> We last visited Mallacoota in September 2017. The long interval is not
> because we had fallen out of love with the place but because of not wanting a
> long drive.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:15:04 +0000
> From: Roaminoz - <>
> To: Judith L-A <>, ""
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Wim Vader
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> I too have been reading Wim Vader's posts for a few years now ... I too
> wonder if he might have already put his yearly observations into a book.
> Great works Wim.
>
> Jude
> Burpengary Qld
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2018 1:31 PM
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Wim Vader
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>
>
> So agree with you, Kath. For years I?ve been reading Wim Vader?s posts. They
> are glorious descriptions that should really make a Natural History book,
> being so observant & complete. This latest pays particular note to
> climate-change effects on species, synchronicities, & life histories. And
> just beautifully written. Thank you, Wim.
>
> Judith
> 500m SEQ
>
> JLA
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:37:44 +1100
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Capertee Valley
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> Does anyone know good birding sites in the Capertee Valley? My brother is
> going this week. Interested in Turquoise Parrots and Regent Honeyeaters, but
> any birds really.
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:19:49 +1100
> From: "Tom Wilson" <>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Capertee Valley
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> Hi Stephen
> there?s a downloadable map of the Capertee Bird Routes on the following
> website (https://tourism.lithgow.com/bird-watching/). Doesn?t give you
> current conditions in the valley of course ? suggest he looks at ebird
> (https://ebird.org/australia/home) and eremaea
> (http://www.eremaea.com/BirdlineRecentSightings.aspx?Birdline=2) for any
> recent sightings. A quick skim of the latter shows no recent reports of
> either species from the Capertee
> Cheers
> Tom Wilson
>
>
>
> From:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:37 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Capertee Valley
>
> Does anyone know good birding sites in the Capertee Valley? My brother is
> going this week. Interested in Turquoise Parrots and Regent Honeyeaters, but
> any birds really.
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
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