Hi
There has been so much written on this incident and it seems to have caused
a lot of discussion between researchers on the validity or otherwise of
retaining specimens under these circumstances I wonder if future research
projects will have to change their techniques. All very intetesting
Dom
On 10 Oct 2015 9:27 am, "mike.honeyman" <>
wrote:
> Hi Dom
>
> The original article and the links I provided explain the utility of
> specimens and why photographs don't cut it.
> And while the kingfisher might be on display now, the point is that if
> preserved correctly it will still be available for research purposes in
> many different contexts in 10s of years to come.
>
> Cheers
>
> mjh
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung GALAXY S5
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dominic Funnell <>
> Date: 10/10/2015 10:09 am (GMT+10:00)
> To: Michael Honeyman <>
> Cc: Peter Shute <>,
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An interesting story.
>
> Hi Michael
> I suppose what I was ineptly trying to say is that given the trend for new
> species of invertebrates to be described and classified without retention
> of voucher specimens and improving photographic techniques the often
> spouted reason for retaining specimens that is to describe species is
> becoming obsolete. To me this Kingfisher seems to have been retained for no
> stronger reason almost than no one has a male! Given that as I understand
> it the specimen was given to a local museum to display there seems little
> scientific justification for its retention. But as a complete amateur I
> could well be totally wrong - usually am!
> Dom
> On 10 Oct 2015 8:51 am, "Michael Honeyman" <>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dom
>> I think there is a misconception that the only purpose of collecting is
>> to have a voucher specimen.
>> http://www.mnhn.ul.pt/pls/portal/docs/1/336035.PDF
>>
>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1474-919X.1998.tb04391.x/abstract
>> http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/Winker-Auk-05.pdf
>> http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/MUv111n3_ED.htm
>> mjh
>>
>> On 10 Oct 2015, at 09:06, Dominic Funnell <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the collection of a specimen of a bird that was always known to
>> be there (males seen in 90s I believe) not completely necessary especially
>> given the example of completely new invertebrate species to science having
>> been described solely from HD photographs with no voucher specimens being
>> retained. Surely blood and feather sample and HD photos more than adequate
>> for a known species of vertebrate.
>> Dom
>>
>>
>>
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