Hi All,
NZ Fantails are a separate species Rhipidura fuliginosa according to the IOC
Master list v5.1 and is only found in NZ and Lord Howe Is while Rhipidura
albiscapa is found in Australia, Solomon Islands, Loyalty Islands, New Cal and
Vanuatu. So it is not an Australian endemic, all the same.
Regards
John
Yours in all things "green"
John Harris BASc, GDipEd
Director - Wildlife Experiences P/L
Principal Zoologist/Ecologist
Nature Photographer
Wildlife Guide
Croydon, Vic
0409 090 955
President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria
www.fncv.org.au
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From: "Stephen Ambrose" <>
To: "'Kim Sterelny'" <>, "'David Taylor'"
<>, <>
Subject: Fwd: National Bird
Date: Sat, Mar 21, 2015 15:30
Hi Kim,
I accept your point that the distribution of the Grey Fantail is not
restricted to Australia. However, the Aust & NZ Grey Fantails may not be the
same species. Schodde & Mason (1999) grouped the Australian, Norfolk Island
and Melanesian Grey Fantails into one species (Rhipidura albiscapa), and
those in NZ and on Lord Howe Island into another (R. fuliginosa).
Christidis & Boles (2008) tentatively followed that grouping, while flagging
the need to further examine this relationship. I don't know if there have
been any detailed studies since then. Perhaps others can help here.
Kind regards,
Stephen
Stephen Ambrose
Ryde, NSW
References
Schodde, R. & Mason, I.J. (1999). The Directory of Australian Birds.
Passerines (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood).
Christidis, L. & Boles, W. (2008). Systematics and Taxonomy of Australian
Birds (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood).
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Sterelny
Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 3:02 PM
To: Stephen Ambrose; 'David Taylor';
Subject: Fwd: National Bird
Lovely bird, but its also in NZ.
Kim Sterelny, School of Philosophy, Research School of the Social Sciences,
Australian National University, Acton, 0200, ACT, Australia
or
61-(0)2-6125-2886
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From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Stephen
Ambrose <>
Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 1:23 PM
To: 'David Taylor';
Subject: Fwd: National Bird
My choice is the Grey Fantail because of its widespread distribution,
interesting and conspicuous behaviour and beautiful fan-shaped tail.
Stephen Ambrose
Ryde NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
David Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:23 PM
To:
Subject: Fwd: National Bird
Given its almost Australia wide distribution, urban and rural presence and
striking plumage that would work well on crests etc I'd nominate the
Australian Magpie as my pick as our National bird
Cheers
David Taylor
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Tony Russell" <>
> Date: 21 March 2015 8:45:43 am AEST
> To: "'Carl Clifford'" <>, "'Martin
> Butterfield'" <>
> Cc: 'birding-aus NEW' <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] National Bird
>
> Could have Abbott the Rabbit.
>
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> Behalf Of Carl Clifford
> Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 9:22 PM
> To: Martin Butterfield
> Cc: birding-aus NEW
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> Nope we do not have an National bird or animal. Considering what has
> been coming out of Canberra over the last few years, perhaps our
> National Bird should be the Spangled Drongo.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
>>> On 20 Mar 2015, at 7:10 pm, Martin Butterfield
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>> wrote:
>>
>> I had assumed it was the Emu as it features on our Coat of Arms.
>> However I can't find anything authoritative which confirms this or
>> offers an alternative.
>>
>> Surely we have one? If not, I cry 'Shime, shime " and ask what can
>> be done and by whom to get one. (For various reasons, if starting
>> from scratch, my pick would be Galah.)
>>
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>> Martin Butterfield
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