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Dowitcher

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Subject: Dowitcher
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:53:59 +1100
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:23:24 -0800 > > In my opinion the plumage of this bird is unlike any Short-billed Dowitcher > and fits all expected features of Long-billed Dowitcher. Key features are: > > 1. Spotting across the foreneck > 2. Black centered scapular feathers with contrasting white fringes > > Other features supportive of Long-billed include barring on the sides of > the breast, a straight (not angled) lore line between the eye in the bill, > and bill length. > > The previous post identifying it as a Short-billed was incorrect in a > number of points. In particular this plumage of this bird is impossible > for a Short-billed of the race L. g. caurinus which never has the > underparts completely colored. If it is a Short-billed, it would have to > be the interior race L. g. hendersoni which can look very much like a > Long-billed. However I believe hendersoni can be eliminated by the > foreneck and scapular pattern. > > The previous post seemed to focus too much on structural "jizz" differences > which are variable, hard to assess, and often overlapping. That said, voice > recordings would be a nice addition to the record. But I would be very > surprised if they did not confirm Long-billed. > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:05:41 +1100, martin cachard > wrote: > > >hello everyone, > >is it clear as yet which species this straggling Dowitcher is ?? > > > >I recall reading some interesting stuff here a couple of days ago that suggested strongly that this bird could be actually a Short-billed - posted by a local showing ID notes from a Northern Hemisphere birder colleague who has a great deal of experience with both this species & Long-billed on migration, & in the hand from banding studies... if my memory serves me rightly, he was suggesting a female due to the Oz stragglers long-ish bill, amongst other [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [65.55.111.76 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.111.76 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mcachard[at]hotmail.com) -1.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
thanx Joseph & Allan,
good to know... i'm not going to be chasing it either.
cheers,
martin cachard,
cairns
 

 
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Dowitcher
> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:23:24 -0800
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> In my opinion the plumage of this bird is unlike any Short-billed Dowitcher
> and fits all expected features of Long-billed Dowitcher.  Key features are:
> 
> 1. Spotting across the foreneck
> 2. Black centered scapular feathers with contrasting white fringes
> 
> Other features supportive of Long-billed include barring on the sides of
> the breast, a straight (not angled) lore line between the eye in the bill,
> and bill length. 
> 
> The previous post identifying it as a Short-billed was incorrect in a
> number of points.  In particular this plumage of this bird is impossible
> for a Short-billed of the race L. g. caurinus which never has the
> underparts completely colored.  If it is a Short-billed, it would have to
> be the interior race L. g. hendersoni which can look very much like a
> Long-billed.  However I believe hendersoni can be eliminated by the
> foreneck and scapular pattern.  
> 
> The previous post seemed to focus too much on structural "jizz" differences
> which are variable, hard to assess, and often overlapping. That said, voice
> recordings would be a nice addition to the record.  But I would be very
> surprised if they did not confirm Long-billed.  
> 
> 
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:05:41 +1100, martin cachard <>
> wrote:
> 
> >hello everyone, 
> >is it clear as yet which species this straggling Dowitcher is ??
> > 
> >I recall reading some interesting stuff here a couple of days ago that 
> >suggested strongly that this bird could be actually a Short-billed - posted 
> >by a local showing ID notes from a Northern Hemisphere birder colleague who 
> >has a great deal of experience with both this species & Long-billed on 
> >migration, & in the hand from banding studies... if my memory serves me 
> >rightly, he was suggesting a female due to the Oz stragglers long-ish bill, 
> >amongst other characters...
> >maybe someone should get some voice recordings of this individual to aid in 
> >the actual ID...??
> > 
> >just a thought...
> >cheers, 
> >martin cachard, 
> >cairns
> > 
> >
> > 
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> >> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:51:15 +1100
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> >> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Dowitcher
> >> 
> >> Hi Birders, 
> >> 
> >> I'm embarking on a healthy drive tonight from the Central Coast NSW to 
> >> hopefully see the LBD tomorrow. Aiming to be there around 11am. More 
> >> impressive, I've brought my loving wife and both kids. I'm very restricted 
> >> for time and I'd greatly appreciate if anyone visiting tomorrow would be 
> >> kind enough to call or message me if the bird is found 0415904710 (and 
> >> please ask it to stay put until I get there). Alternatively, if you'd like 
> >> to exchange numbers feel free to text me.
> >> 
> >> Thanks in advanced
> >> 
> >> Tim Faulkner 
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