The images of the birds on the link you provide still show some yellow flush
though and more than one would ever expect from a White-capped as you
suggest...so they are not ambiguous. It is those birds that have 'zero' yellow
on the base of the culminicorn that present the ID problem. I wonder how many
adult Shy's have this yellow flush during the period Aug-Oct and if perhaps
this could be used to at least make a closer judgement on an adult Shy-type
lacking any yellow observed in mid-NSW waters during that time as being more
likely a White-capped?
Your observations in your trans-Tasman travels David are relevant too. Where
does the line "...as foraging ranges of breeding birds do not appear to
overlap" (re: steadi / cauta) in Onley and Scofield stem from does anyone know?
This would be another clue that could contribute to helping get close to an ID
on adult birds at certain times of the year if the information is reliable.
The "fresh juvenile test" seems to make a lot of sense, even if it isn't backed
up by hard science. I like Christine's suggestion of us being 'citizen
scientists' out there on pelagics and I'm sure you agree to some extent
Nikolas! ;-) Of course, this is further confused by the possibility of juvy
Salvin's Albatrosses as well, which fledge at the same time as Shy's (e.g. the
candidate Salvin's off W'gong 13th Aug 2011 discussed on SOSSA). How many
juvenile birds called in the past as Salvin's may have been juv White-capped?
The discussions on the SOSSA threads show that it is not a straight forward ID
issue again and I'm not sure for how long the 'messy leading edge' has been
used as feature to pick a young Salvin's.
On Tuesday, 12 November 2013 9:11 AM, David James <>
Nice summary of the complicated issue of identifying Shy (cauta) albatross from
Tasmania versus White-capped (steadi) albatross from Auckland Islands at sea by
Mick and Nikolas. I was looking closely at all the Shy-types on Saturday's
Sydney pelagic, trying to unravel this puzzle.
Firstly, I counted 6 different juveniles that were all White-capped in my
opinion. Chicks of Shy fledge in April whereas chicks of white-capped fledge in
August (Heather & Robertson 2000). Off Sydney we see few juvenile shy-types
until August, but in August and September we see large numbers of fresh
plumaged (i.e. newly fledged) juveniles that must be White-capped. They are
also more grey-headed on average than juvenile Shy. It is possible to track the
different White-capped and Shy cohorts as their plumage begins to wear and
moult. By October the White-capped are a little worn, but not yet moulting. And
by Nov 11th the 2013 cohort of White-capped were moderately worn but still not
moulting. On a Sydney pelagic in Oct this year (a private charter) there were
some very worn and moulting juveniles that would be Shy rather than
White-capped, but none like that in November.
The adults are more problematical as Mick and Nikolas noted already. There were
4 adults on the Nov 11th pelagic. None of these had any trace of yellow at the
base of the upper mandible (culminicorn). Nikolas documents that shy-types seen
by him during Eagle-hawk Neck pelagics always show a bright yellow base to the
culminicorn, and he assumes that they are Shy from the nearby Mewstone and
Pedra Branca colonies, as well they may be. Nikolas and Mick posed the question
in different ways, can adult Shy from Tas lack the yellow culmicorn base. The
answer is definitely yes. My old NPIAW "Seabirds of Australia" (Lindsey 1986)
has a photos of many Shy at the colony on Albatross Island in which I can't
see any yellow, but the photo is poor. A quick search of the internet,
however, returns unambiguous photos of Shy at the breeding grounds showing only
a faint hint of yellow culminicorn base, e.g.
This indicates that the yellow base is a seasonal flush, probably at it's
height during the courtship period in Aug-Oct and already faded by December
-Jan. So of course, Shy can lack the yellow away from the breeding grounds. But
can white-capped ever show a trace of yellow? I've not seen any evidence of
Adult white-capped may be slightly greyer about the face than Shy on average,
but it varies with age and individually and is seemingly not diagnostic.
Adult White-capped may have slightly more black at the base of the primaries,
but again there appears to be lots of variation and some overlap.
White-capped is larger (longer wing and bill) by about 5% on average.
In February and March 2013 I made 6 crossings of the Tasman on cruise ship,
four of which were NZ from and to Melbourne, i.e via Bass Strait. I would
expect that in NZ waters the most numerous would be White-capped and the in
Bass Strait it would be Shy. Unfortunately, I could not see any difference in
the underwing or bill patterns either side of the Tasman (but admittedly a big
cruise ship is not ideal because I was too high off the water and conditions
were often difficult). What is more, the distribution of Shy's was pretty much
continuous across the Tasman, i.e. there was no point to suggest a gap between
the 2 ranges. BUT, there are about 75,000 pairs of White-capped and only 5,000
pairs of Shy. This suggests that the majority of adult birds in the mid Tasman
will be White-capped and also the majority of birds in the north-western edge
of the Tasman (i.e. off NSW) will be White-capped too.
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