Hi All,
I'm not sure nasty is the right word to use, how about "just doing what
nature requires to stay alive" Northern Giant Petrels??
If they are so nasty, have you thought of removing them from your life
lists?? Along with all of the Butcherbirds, Skuas, Birds of Prey etc.......
I guess not as your lists would be 20+ less than they are now.
Give them a break, besides most of you are probably meat-eaters unless you
have made the conscious choice to be a vegan.
That's my 50c worth.
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On 5 November 2013 12:06, Mick Roderick <> wrote:
> In 4 years of pelagics and other seabird surveys off Port Stephens (and 2
> off Swansea) that I have been running / involved in, we have only recorded
> SGP on one trip (Sept 2012, when we had 2 birds). Mind you, we've only had
> NGP 5 or 6 times. Any seawatched GP's that I have been able to confirm to
> species level off Nobby's have all been Northerns too.
>
> I'm sure the SGP's were the more commonly encountered of the two when the
> trips were being run by Baxter/Hansbro (from about 2000-2006?) but I don't
> have that info in front of me.
>
> Also, if you checked the SOSSA Monthly Guide before it was given a welcome
> refreshing recently you would have seen that SGP's were more commonly
> recorded off W'gong up to 1999. The guide shows a different story now
> though (see link below, which uses data collected between 2000-2013).
>
>
> http://www.sossa-international.org/forum/content.php?185-Month-by-Month-Birding-Guide-Wollongong
>
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 4 November 2013 11:20 PM, martin cachard <>
> wrote:
>
> hey kev & nik,
> going through my (limited compared to u guys) records, Nik's ratio between
> spp is about the same for me too.
> maybe this has always been the case??
> cheers Martin Cachard, Cairns 0428 782 808
>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 03:15:56 -0800
> > From:
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Nasty Northern Giant Petrels
> >
> > Hi Kev,
> >
> > Over the last 6 years I had 3 x more NGPs than SGPs along the East coast
> (mainly Sydney & Wollongong).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nikolas
> >
> > ----------------
> > Nikolas Haass
> >
> > Brisbane, QLD
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Kev Lobotomi <>
> > To: "" <>
> > Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 4:22 PM
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Nasty Northern Giant Petrels
> >
> >
> > On a few occasions lately I have witnessed how nasty the Northern Giant
> Petrel can be. Firstly off Port Fairy on shelf on the 27th people aboard
> the boat had 4 GPs (3 definite Northerns, perhaps 1 Southern) attacking a
> Short-tailed Shearwater and drowning it. We later went over to check out
> the corpse floating on the sea.
> > In addition to this I spotted a Northern GP off Cape Nelson yesterday
> (3/11/13) about 10AM. There were heaps of Short-tailed Shearwaters
> offshore, some sitting on the ocean. This of course is not unusual at the
> moment with big wrecks about everywhere in SE Aust. The GP kept flying up
> to a STS sitting on the water & jumping on it. The STS would either dive
> under the water & evade that way, or fly off. This it did about 6 times
> before the NGP actually jumped on a bird which was probably too weak to get
> away. It then grabbed it and took off with it, then landed and attacked
> it's belly. The poor shearwater was flaying it's legs and wings around.
> Eventually you'd expect the NGP to start eating the thing. It did peck at
> it a bit, but then abandoned the bird (not sure if it was dead, but it
> would have been mortally wounded) & then proceeded to have a go at several
> other shearwaters on the water. I got the feeling the NGP was acting like
> the Grim Reaper &
> > selecting the shearwaters th
> > at were ready to die!
> > I have noticed that there have been Northern Giant Petrels hanging
> around southern Australia (Cape Nelson, Port Fairy, Port MacDonnell &
> Eaglehawk Neck) & perhaps taking advantage of the plight that the STS are
> in at the moment. It's also interesting that there have only been a few
> Southern Giant Petrels the whole year. I remember Southerns being more
> common than Northern, particularly in the mid and later part of winter.
> Northerns seem to outnumber them lately. Has anyone noticed a decline in
> SGP numbers, as opposed to NGP numbers?-Kevin Bartram
> >
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