Dave
I'm sorry to hear you had such a lousy experience. I'm copying in Bo
Beolens here.
Hearing loss was an issue raised by my PhD respondents as well. It was a
reason why birders preferred going out with their spouse, even if that
person wasn't a serious birder.
Regards
Denise
On 25/10/13 11:25 AM, "David Stowe" <> wrote:
> Yes some people do find it hard to accept that others aren't as able as
> themselves.
>
> Some years ago in New Zealand i went with a guide looking for Kiwi. I'm fit
> physically but have moderate hearing loss and back then i didn't have hearing
> aids. I was told to be super quiet and listen. The guide became incredibly
> frustrated that i couldn't hear the birds rustling through the undergrowth
> apparently right in front of us. I wasn't permitted to respond lest i scare
> the birds away yet he kept frustratedly telling me how one was right there and
> just took a dump. He kept telling me to "just concentrate really hard!"
> He of course had super human hearing and couldn't understand that
> "concentrating really hard" doesn't improve ones hearing, in the same way that
> concentrating won't cause a paraplegic to start walking!
> We did finally see a Kiwi but his attitude and lack of understanding did put a
> real damper on the night.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
> On 25/10/2013, at 11:56 AM, "Tony Russell" <> wrote:
>
>> Interesting that you have raised this Denise. I have been out with some
>> guides , well known ones too, who seem to have no concern about or
>> understanding of their clients limitations. Some of them race around at a
>> pace difficult for others to keep up with and if the guide notices at all
>> can become impatient and often instruct people to "keep up", not realising
>> that this can be impossible for them.
>> Others can command elderly people to "get down on the ground" ( to look
>> under bushes), as though they were teenagers, and not acknowledging that
>> this can also often be an impossible requirement, and that getting up again
>> is usually a worse ordeal than getting down. I can recall two different
>> guides who did this to people on trips I've been on. It puts one off from
>> ever using those guides again or recommending anyone else to. Some guides
>> unrealistically expect clients to be as physically active as they are. Some
>> people may dismiss these problems as unimportant but a responsible guide
>> should develop ways of showing consideration for their older clients and
>> maybe generating some return business.
>>
>> Tony, the aging crock.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> On Behalf Of Denise
>> Goodfellow
>> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2013 10:19 AM
>> To: Birding Aus
>> Cc: ; Peter Wood; Ronda Green BSc(Hons); Robyn Stark;
>> ; Maree Kerr; Kev
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Hot weather and birders
>>
>> Recently the issue of tourism and hot weather was raised on Radio National.
>>
>> Quite often I've been in the field with other guides who've either taken
>> people out in very hot, humid weather or who said they would have no
>> problems doing so. One was a bus driver (who'd just started guiding as
>> well) who, if he'd had his way, would have taken a group of American
>> university students on a hike around the Kakadu sandstone in such weather.
>> The professor in charge agreed with him and it was only after I (their
>> guide/lecturer) refused to go that he backed down.
>>
>> On another occasion a senior lady showed obvious signs of heat stress after
>> a long hike, but the guide appeared not to notice.
>>
>> This issue is even more urgent now, with more hot days (we've probably had a
>> record number of fire ban days this Dry Season).
>>
>> So please, if you're a visiting birder raise this issue with your guide or
>> operator.
>>
>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>> PO Box 71, Darwin River,
>> NT 0841
>> 043 8650 835
>>
>> PhD candidate, SCU
>> Vice-chair, Wildlife Tourism Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
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