Shooting in Birdlife controlled conservation areas

To: Neville Schrader OAM <>
Subject: Shooting in Birdlife controlled conservation areas
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 19:35:26 +1100

Done a bit actually. When I was an animal health inspector with NSW Ag, I 
helped out our Noxious Animal Control Officer on his goat control research 
during my quiet times. It certainly is effective, but is done with a lot of 
noise, dust and environmental disturbance. It is not quite the activity you 
would want in a wildlife reserve like Gluepot.

Carl Clifford

On 02/03/2013, at 6:23 PM, Neville Schrader OAM <> wrote:

> Carl,
>        I don't know what expertise you have in rounding up wild goats, but 
> they pretty easy, all you need is a good dog, a motor bike and mobile yards, 
> preferably near a waterhole (personal information from my nephew, a 
> professional goat herder) and with that you can make a good living.
> That's why goats in NSW will never be eradicated. The economical factor and 
> the fact that many  leasees in the western Division are now turning to goats, 
> rather then sheep for an income. The only hope is for the economic value to 
> be removed, which I can't see happening, at least in my life time. This also 
> applies to pig's and now possibly the River Rabbit (carp). Whenever you put 
> and economic value on anything it changes its complexion. Though I would love 
> to see the whole three and a few more species, eradicated I don't see it 
> happening.
> The once or twice a year shoot by NPWS (or whatever there new title is ) has 
> little impact, whilst ever they are surrounded with properties full of goats, 
> amateur shooters will have a negotiable impact if not cause further problems, 
> like fire (especially in the mallee country).
> As far as Goats and Cats I'd take the goat anytime, corning a feral cats is 
> the equivalent of taking you live in your hands. Feral cats do not act like 
> you cute pussy cat you have at home.
> I think average Australian is aware of the problem, but its one of those 
> problems that individuals feels helpless about,  after all our track record 
> is not to good in controlling pests. Remember the dingo fences, rabbit 
> fences, tick control etc etc. As far as Foot and Mouth and other diseases it 
> only a matter of time.
> But I see all of this as a side issue to my original e-mail.
> Neville Schrader
> -----Original Message----- From: Carl Clifford
> Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:54 PM
> To: Neville Schrader OAM
> Cc: Briding -Aus ; Dick Cooper ; Mark Clayton
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Shooting in Birdlife controlled conservation areas
> Neville,
> NSW National Parks use professional shooters to control feral animals, such 
> as pigs, goats and deer. The areas the shooters operate in are closed off 
> when culling is in progress. Shooting is usually carried out where culling 
> methods such as baiting or trapping are impractical.
> Trapping can be effective in some situations, but is expensive and animals 
> quickly learn to avoid traps. It is usually only cost effective when the 
> trapped animals can be on-sold to the live export or abattoir trade.
> Rounding up feral goats? Rounding up cats is somewhat easier.
> It is a pity that the average Australian does not regard feral animal control 
> more seriously. When Foot and Mouth Disease eventually enters Australia (and 
> it will eventually, despite the best efforts of AQIS), we can kiss goodbye to 
> most of our meat and many other agricultural product export trades.
> Carl Clifford
> On 02/03/2013, at 10:29, Neville Schrader OAM <> wrote:
>> It appears to me to be a pretty hard argument we have in NSW to stop 
>> shooting in National Parks, when we see statement like this in the last 
>> Birdlife e- News, in relation to Gluepot Reserve, i.e six members of the 
>> sporting shooters visited for four days, shooting 74 goats, a cat and a fox, 
>> and they also trapped two foxes. Whilst I am aware that other states allow 
>> shooting in Conservation areas, I don’t see why Birdlife should support 
>> such. Trapping I have no problem with or rounding up the goats and selling.
>> The question now is, who controls the policy of operations and management in 
>> Gluepot and Birdlife.
>> In disappointment
>> Neville Schrader
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