Personally, I, and a lot of others birders in Canberra, would dearly love to
see a Secretarybird in Canberra. I have actually seen them is a couple of
countries in southern Africa but to get one in Australia ............ and it
wouldn't cost me more than a few dollars worth of petrol.
Mark
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1. BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required), Gould's Petrel,
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2. Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (Philip Veerman)
3. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (Richard Baxter)
4. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (Tony Russel)
5. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (Grant Brosie)
6. Re: BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required), Gould's
Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off Sydney!
(Mick Roderick)
7. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (John Tongue)
8. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (jenny spry)
9. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (David Stowe)
10. Re; BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required), Gould's
Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off Sydney!,
(Paul Walbridge)
11. Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (John Weigel)
12. MURUK - journal on New Guinean birds, available as free
pdfs.... (colin trainor)
13. Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome (Tony Russel)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:59:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Nikolas Haass <>
To: birding-aus <>
Cc: Libby Hall <>, Hal Epstein
<>, Roger McGovern
<>,
Joan Dawes <>
Subject: BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required),
Gould's Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off Sydney!
Message-ID:
<>
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This Sydney pelagic (9th February 2013) produced
the first BARAU'S Petrel off the Australian East Coast!?
For pictures, see Raja's website:
http://www.adarman.com/Pelagics/New-South-Wales-Pelagics/2013-February-09-Sy
dney
The water temperature was 26degC. We will submit a
detailed report to BARC.?
The other great highlight was the release of the Gray-faced
Petrel recently found by Joan Dawes at Circular Quay (23rd Jan;
Eremaea/Birdline #163338). When
the bird was found it was covered in a fine oil and required several washes
and
waterproofing prior to release. This was done by Libby Hall and her team at
Taronga Wildlife Hospital. I (NH) released the bird at Brown's Mountain at
10:15am while other Gray-faced Petrels were circling the boat. It was
fantastic
to see the bird fly away in his classic Pterodroma-manner!?
Other highlights
were 2+ Gould's Petrel along with two Sooty Terns.?
Roger McGovern will post a detailed report soon.
Cheers,
Nikolas and everybody on Hal's Halicat
----------------
Nikolas Haass
Sydney, NSW
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:02:58 +1100
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
To: <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards Mike or
anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take this message as
being towards the amusing and not get hung up on arguing it. Sure, promoting
tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could afford to go, just maybe one day
I might but it would be to see the regular birds such as the massed wader
migration). Then again for those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is
such a wonderful bird (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder
would it not be easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to
Europe. I have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the
plains of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of
Canberra.
More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if they told
their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are going to spend a
huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at the Broome tip and
shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would respond with a "no way, you
must be loopy (or similar)". And that is in the context that I'm 56 years
old I have loved bird watching since I was a young child and find myself
recently married to someone who has no idea and this week asked me if a
penguin is a bird.
Philip
-----Original Message-----From:
On Behalf Of Mike Carter
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure they
coincide with its irregular visits.
Mike Carter
30 Canadian Bay Road
Mount Eliza VIC 3930
Tel (03) 9787 7136
===============================
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:17:32 +1100
From: Richard Baxter <>
To: Philip Veerman <>, birding-aus
<>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Philip,
It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive us
to the rubbish tip.
Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
Cheers
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards Mike
or
> anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take this message as
> being towards the amusing and not get hung up on arguing it. Sure,
promoting
> tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could afford to go, just maybe one
day
> I might but it would be to see the regular birds such as the massed wader
> migration). Then again for those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is
> such a wonderful bird (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder
> would it not be easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going
to
> Europe. I have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the
> plains of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of
> Canberra.
>
> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if they
told
> their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are going to spend
a
> huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at the Broome tip and
> shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would respond with a "no way, you
> must be loopy (or similar)". And that is in the context that I'm 56 years
> old I have loved bird watching since I was a young child and find myself
> recently married to someone who has no idea and this week asked me if a
> penguin is a bird.
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----From:
> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
>
> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure they
> coincide with its irregular visits.
>
> Mike Carter
> 30 Canadian Bay Road
> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
> Tel (03) 9787 7136
> ===============================
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:34:18 +1030
From: "Tony Russel" <>
To: "'Richard Baxter'" <>
Cc: birding aus <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's in
the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost would
be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
so.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Richard Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Philip,
It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive us
to the rubbish tip.
Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
Cheers
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
> Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
> this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
> arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
> afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
> regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
> those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
> (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
> easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
> have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
> of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
>
> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
> they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
> going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
> the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
> respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
> in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
> I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
> has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----From:
>
> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
>
> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
> they coincide with its irregular visits.
>
> Mike Carter
> 30 Canadian Bay Road
> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
> Tel (03) 9787 7136
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:17:17 +1100
From: Grant Brosie <>
To: Tony Russel <>
Cc: birding aus <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If I had the money and time I'd be in Broome without a second thought.
Better then being at home watching the same birds day in and out. Plus
there's so much to see in Broome besides what looks to be a quite impressive
bird, lets not sell it short, it is a bird after all.
Grant Brosie
Rutherford, NSW
Sent from my iPhone
On 12/02/2013, at 1:04 PM, "Tony Russel" <> wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
> fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's
in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
> allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
> other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
> so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard
Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
> few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
> frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive
us
> to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
>> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
>> Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
>> this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
>> arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
>> afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
>> regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
>> those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
>> (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
>> easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
>> have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
>> of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
>>
>> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
>> they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
>> going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
>> the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
>> respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
>> in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
>> I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
>> has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From:
>>
>> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
>> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>>
>>
>> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
>> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
>> they coincide with its irregular visits.
>>
>> Mike Carter
>> 30 Canadian Bay Road
>> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
>> Tel (03) 9787 7136
>> ===============================
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:18:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Mick Roderick <>
To: Nikolas Haass <>, birding-aus
<>
Cc: Libby Hall <>, Joan Dawes
<>, Hal Epstein
<>, Roger
McGovern <>
Subject: BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required),
Gould's Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off Sydney!
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Nikolas et al,
?
What a remarkable sighting - congrats to all aboard and especially to those
eager shutterbugs that have captured some great images of the bird. It goes
to show that it's always worth having at least a couple of people armed with
long camera lenses stationed about the vessel, and not just binocular
lenses. Things like the?Stejneger's Petrel probably would never have been
picked up without the brigade of 'water-pipes' on board pelagic trips these
days (though the images of the Barau's suggests it was reasonably showy).
?
I noticed that Paul W hasn't posted the Southport trip report yet, but
looking at the Birdline posting they had a very good diversity of species
the same day as the Sydney trip (5 spp. of Pterodroma for a start).
?
As I started to compose this message I actually did have a vacancy on the
Port Stephens pelagic a week Sunday (24th Feb), but it just went!
?
However, many of the people who have their names down did so a few months
ago and I am yet to confirm with them, so it is possible that some other
vacancies will come up.
?
Contact me off-line if you're interested.
?
Mick
________________________________
From: Nikolas Haass <>
To: birding-aus <>
Cc: Libby Hall <>; Hal Epstein
<>; Roger McGovern <>; Joan
Dawes <>
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required), Gould's
Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off Sydney!
This Sydney pelagic (9th February 2013) produced
the first BARAU'S Petrel off the Australian East Coast!?
For pictures, see Raja's website:
http://www.adarman.com/Pelagics/New-South-Wales-Pelagics/2013-February-09-Sy
dney
The water temperature was 26degC. We will submit a
detailed report to BARC.?
The other great highlight was the release of the Gray-faced
Petrel recently found by Joan Dawes at Circular Quay (23rd Jan;
Eremaea/Birdline #163338). When
the bird was found it was covered in a fine oil and required several washes
and
waterproofing prior to release. This was done by Libby Hall and her team at
Taronga Wildlife Hospital. I (NH) released the bird at Brown's Mountain at
10:15am while other Gray-faced Petrels were circling the boat. It was
fantastic
to see the bird fly away in his classic Pterodroma-manner!?
Other highlights
were 2+ Gould's Petrel along with two Sooty Terns.?
Roger McGovern will post a detailed report soon.
Cheers,
Nikolas and everybody on Hal's Halicat
----------------
Nikolas Haass
Sydney, NSW
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:20:13 +1100
From: John Tongue <>
To: "Tony Russel" <>
Cc: birding aus <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If people don't want to spend the money to go and see it, then don't.....
On 12/02/2013, at 1:04 PM, Tony Russel wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
> fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's
in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
> allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
> other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
> so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard
Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
> few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
> frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive
us
> to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
>> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
>> Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
>> this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
>> arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
>> afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
>> regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
>> those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
>> (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
>> easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
>> have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
>> of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
>>
>> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
>> they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
>> going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
>> the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
>> respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
>> in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
>> I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
>> has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From:
>>
>> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
>> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>>
>>
>> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
>> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
>> they coincide with its irregular visits.
>>
>> Mike Carter
>> 30 Canadian Bay Road
>> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
>> Tel (03) 9787 7136
>> ===============================
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:49:49 +1100
From: jenny spry <>
To: birding aus <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
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Hi all,
I am again wondering why the expenditure of money on our chosen
hobby/pastime/obsession is such a contentious issue. Using Tony's
calculation the cost of a trip to Broome comes to about $1,000 - $1,200 and
having costed it myself I agree (I am not including food and fuel because I
feel one usually uses that whether or not they are on a twitch). Some
people can afford to spend, and what's more want to spend, that amount to
see a vagrant bird. So what?
There are people who collect old vinyl or wax records who will pay $1,200
for one record. There are people who will pay many times that amount for a
used postage stamp. Other people pay for a ticket to an interstate concert
or, unbelievably, to attend a cricket match (smile). So what? It's their
hobby/pastime/obsession.
The expenditure of money, in general, also provides employment for a large
range of people from the person who cuts the sandwich in Broome to the
person who flies the plane to get you there. And those who went for the
LBBG undoubtably saw other birds and spent an enjoyable social time with
friends.
Philip mentions the Secretarybird on the plains of Africa. Like Philip, I
chose not to spend my finite money reserves on a ticket to Africa, but if
one turned up on the plains of Western Australia I would do my best to go
and see it. Just as some people who can't afford to go to Europe to see a
famous painting will fly to Canberra to see it.
Personally, I feel happy for those who have seen the LBBG and I gain
pleasure from reading about their trips. To me the joy of birding is good
friends, beautiful places and birds. Let's just enjoy our
hobby/pastime/obsession and stop begrudging a person's discretionary
expenditure in that pursuit.
cheers and long live all birders
Jenny
http://jenniferspryausbirding.blogspot.com.au/
On 12 February 2013 13:04, Tony Russel <> wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
> fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's
> in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
> allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
> other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
> so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard
> Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome
a
> few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
> frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive
> us
> to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
> > That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
> > Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
> > this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
> > arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
> > afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
> > regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
> > those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
> > (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
> > easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
> > have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
> > of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
> >
> > More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
> > they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
> > going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
> > the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
> > respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
> > in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
> > I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
> > has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----From:
> >
> > On Behalf Of Mike
> Carter
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
> > Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
> >
> >
> > The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
> > wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
> > they coincide with its irregular visits.
> >
> > Mike Carter
> > 30 Canadian Bay Road
> > Mount Eliza VIC 3930
> > Tel (03) 9787 7136
> > ===============================
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:14:51 +1100
From: David Stowe <>
To: "Tony Russel" <>
Cc: birding aus <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Surely we don't have to have this constant debate again!
Some people will be interested and consider it worth the cost (whatever it
is).
Other people won't be interested and won't go for whatever reason.
Why turn it into a judgement about how silly it is against the people that
are happy to do it?
Not everyone has been to the UK (much more expensive) to see it hundreds of
times.
In the end does it really matter?
cheers
David Stowe
On 12/02/2013, at 1:04 PM, "Tony Russel" <> wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
> fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's
in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
> allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
> other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
> so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard
Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
> few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
> frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive
us
> to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
>> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
>> Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
>> this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
>> arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
>> afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
>> regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
>> those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
>> (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
>> easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
>> have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
>> of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
>>
>> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
>> they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
>> going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
>> the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
>> respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
>> in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
>> I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
>> has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From:
>>
>> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
>> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>>
>>
>> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
>> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
>> they coincide with its irregular visits.
>>
>> Mike Carter
>> 30 Canadian Bay Road
>> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
>> Tel (03) 9787 7136
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:30:58 +1000
From: "Paul Walbridge" <>
To: <>
Subject: Re; BARAU'S Petrel (BARC submission required),
Gould's Petrel, Sooty Tern, release of Gray-faced Petrel off
Sydney!,
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Hi All, first of all congrats to Nikolas et al on such a great record
matched by the equally impressive photos. Yeah Mick my report was waiting on
a confirmation of a sighting, nothing too important, just tidying up a loose
end. We had a fantastic trip also but nothing mind boggling like a Barau's.
Southport trip will go on tomorrow. Cheers - Paul W.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:05:23 +1100
From: "John Weigel" <>
To: <>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
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For me, the thrill of seeing the LBB Gull atop that festering rubbish pile
at the Broome Rubbish Tip on Saturday was more than proportionate to the
difficulty and expense to travel Sydney - Broome - TWICE! My initial trip
unfortunately overlapped with the first-known two or three day absence for
the gull from the tip since its discovery several weeks earlier. George was
incredibly helpful, and together we searched a range of potential Broome
hangouts for it, all to no avail. I spent a second day doing the same, and
returned home on the overnight killer-flight disappointed and a bit
defeated. So I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when George rang me up a
day later with the news that the gull was back at the tip. Unexpectedly the
wife OK'd a second assault, and I was back in Broome two days later. Full of
anticipation, I rang George from the Airport to get the latest intel. He
said that a big storm had hit the night before, and that the gull was
apparently absent from the Tip, and that for the first time, he was a bit
concerned about its whereabouts. Aughh. George met me at the tip ten minutes
later, and despite the usual scavenging flocks of Silver Gulls, Ibises,
Crows and Corellas, NO LBB Gull. I made a lap of the sewage treatment plant,
and various beach and shoreline locations, before returning to the tip late
that afternoon. What a relief to see that big beautiful rubbish-eater mixing
it up with the usual junk-yard scrappers. It's been described as a glorified
Kelp Gull by some, and 'scungy' by others, but all I could feel was love!
An unforgettable experience, and a chance to see a species that may not be
'see-able' again in Australia for a long, long time.
John
To:
"Tony Russel" < >
Subject:
Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
From:
John Tongue < >
Date:
Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:20:13 +1100
If people don't want to spend the money to go and see it, then don't.....
On 12/02/2013, at 1:04 PM, Tony Russel wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The air
> fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and that's
in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days -
> allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to eat ,
> other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't think
> so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in Broome a
> few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me $75. I used
> frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan very kindly drive
us
> to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
>> That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
>> Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
>> this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
>> arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I could
>> afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to see the
>> regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then again for
>> those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a wonderful bird
>> (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder would it not be
>> easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by going to Europe. I
>> have always thought I would rather see a Secretarybird on the plains
>> of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than on the streets of Canberra.
>>
>> More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
>> they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
>> going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull at
>> the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
>> respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
>> in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching since
>> I was a young child and find myself recently married to someone who
>> has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From:
>>
>> On Behalf Of Mike Carter
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
>> Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>>
>>
>> The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip. Anyone
>> wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to ensure
>> they coincide with its irregular visits.
>>
>> Mike Carter
>> 30 Canadian Bay Road
>> Mount Eliza VIC 3930
>> Tel (03) 9787 7136
>> ===============================
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:54:46 +0930
From: colin trainor <>
To: "" <>
Subject: MURUK - journal on New Guinean birds, available
as free pdfs....
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Just taking the opportunity to increase exposure to MURUK articles, which
contain a wealth of New Guinea bird data....
Link:
http://eng.sicklebillsafaris.com/index.php/muruk
thanks,
Colin
New Guinea Journal- FREE
from
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To:
Subject:
New Guinea Journal- FREE
From:
Phil Gregory <>
Date:
Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:40:45 +1000
Just back from an excellent New Guinea trip, highlights being New
Guinea Harpy Eagle, and both Mountain and Wallace's Owlet-nightjar in
addition to the usual Barred Owlet-nightjar. Does anyone happen to
know if Feline Owlet-nightjar is ever seen in holes in hollow trees?
We also had confusion again about telling Papuan from Marbled
Frogmouth, the habitat in Casuarina groves at 1600 m was typical for
Papuan and I suspect Marbled is pretty limited to rainforest, but
other observers thought they were Marbled and we await photos which
will I hope show eye colour!
Good news- the entire archive of the New Guinea birdwatching journal
Muruk Vols 1-9 is now available as a free download at
sicklebillsafaris.com. There is a button called Muruk, click on this
and each volume shows up ready to download. I plan two more paper
editions to complete existing subscriptions to Vol 10, (Vol 10:1 Aug
2011 is currently at the printers), then we are switching to an on-
line format in a bid to widen circulation and generate more
contributions. The contributions over the past 30 years have been wide-
ranging and it has been a valuable collection point for data from a
still remarkably poorly known area.
Phil & Sue Gregory
tour organizers/ bird guide/ ornithological writer
Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary House
Http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com
Http://www.cassowary-house.com.au
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:35:53 +1030
From: "Tony Russel" <>
To: "'jenny spry'" <>, "'birding aus'"
<>
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Jenny and others. I seem to have generated the thought that I am somehow
jealous or angry about people spending money to twitch a bird. Nothing could
be further from the truth. Being a twitcher I too have spent thousands of
dollars avidly traipsing round the country chasing new birds, and I wish
those who still do it the best of luck. However, I seem to have lost some of
my own twitching zeal and the rewards of getting a tick are definitely
fading for me, unless of course the bird is closer to home, then I'll go for
it. Oh, and BTW, I don't suffer from the domestic financial constraints
that Philip mentioned so I could still go but choose not to. This,
fortunately, does not preclude me from passing comment on these compulsive
expeditions.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of jenny spry
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 1:20 PM
To: birding aus
Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
Hi all,
I am again wondering why the expenditure of money on our chosen
hobby/pastime/obsession is such a contentious issue. Using Tony's
calculation the cost of a trip to Broome comes to about $1,000 - $1,200 and
having costed it myself I agree (I am not including food and fuel because I
feel one usually uses that whether or not they are on a twitch). Some people
can afford to spend, and what's more want to spend, that amount to see a
vagrant bird. So what?
There are people who collect old vinyl or wax records who will pay $1,200
for one record. There are people who will pay many times that amount for a
used postage stamp. Other people pay for a ticket to an interstate concert
or, unbelievably, to attend a cricket match (smile). So what? It's their
hobby/pastime/obsession.
The expenditure of money, in general, also provides employment for a large
range of people from the person who cuts the sandwich in Broome to the
person who flies the plane to get you there. And those who went for the LBBG
undoubtably saw other birds and spent an enjoyable social time with friends.
Philip mentions the Secretarybird on the plains of Africa. Like Philip, I
chose not to spend my finite money reserves on a ticket to Africa, but if
one turned up on the plains of Western Australia I would do my best to go
and see it. Just as some people who can't afford to go to Europe to see a
famous painting will fly to Canberra to see it.
Personally, I feel happy for those who have seen the LBBG and I gain
pleasure from reading about their trips. To me the joy of birding is good
friends, beautiful places and birds. Let's just enjoy our
hobby/pastime/obsession and stop begrudging a person's discretionary
expenditure in that pursuit.
cheers and long live all birders
Jenny
http://jenniferspryausbirding.blogspot.com.au/
On 12 February 2013 13:04, Tony Russel <> wrote:
> Richard, I'm with Philip on this. You skipped very quickly over the
> expensive bits !! For a start you used frequent flyer points !! The
> air fare from Adelaide (compulsorily via Melb) is around $400-800, and
> that's in
> the cheap seats. Going on one's own the minimum accommodation cost
would
> be ca $120 per night. Then I'd have to hire a car for a couple of days
> - allow $120 for that, plus fuel. Oh, and I guess one would need to
> eat , other than taking sandwiches. Allow another $50 for that even
eating fast
> food ( which I don't). OK for some, but not for most of us. And all for
> one skungey bird which I've seen a hundred times in the UK. I don't
> think so.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Richard
> Baxter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:48 AM
> To: Philip Veerman; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
>
> Philip,
> It doesn't always cost a fortune. I twitched the LBBG in
> Broome a few weeks ago with Mike and Rohan. The entire trip cost me
> $75. I used frequent flyer points, we shared a room and George Swan
> very kindly drive us to the rubbish tip.
>
> Breakfast at Maccas and flew home.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 12/02/2013, at 12:02 PM, "Philip Veerman" <> wrote:
>
> > That sounds very sensible. This is not an attempt to be rude towards
> > Mike or anyone. However it also strikes me as amusing. Please take
> > this message as being towards the amusing and not get hung up on
> > arguing it. Sure, promoting tourism to Broome is great (I wish I
> > could afford to go, just maybe one day I might but it would be to
> > see the regular birds such as the massed wader migration). Then
> > again for those who think a Lesser Black-backed Gull is such a
> > wonderful bird (very exciting compared to other gulls), I wonder
> > would it not be easier (possibly even cheaper?) and more likely by
> > going to Europe. I have always thought I would rather see a
> > Secretarybird on the plains of Africa, where it is supposed to be, than
on the streets of Canberra.
> >
> > More to the point, I just wonder how many readers of this line, if
> > they told their husband, wife, son, daughter, whoever, that they are
> > going to spend a huge amount to look for a Lesser Black-backed Gull
> > at the Broome tip and shown a picture of this fabulous beast, would
> > respond with a "no way, you must be loopy (or similar)". And that is
> > in the context that I'm 56 years old I have loved bird watching
> > since I was a young child and find myself recently married to
> > someone who has no idea and this week asked me if a penguin is a bird.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----From:
> >
> > On Behalf Of Mike
> Carter
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:50 AM To:
> > Cc: George Swann of Kimberley Birdwatching
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Lesser Black-backed Gull at Broome
> >
> >
> > The bird continues to be seen intermittently at the Broome tip.
> > Anyone wishing to see it should allow at least a couple of days to
> > ensure they coincide with its irregular visits.
> >
> > Mike Carter
> > 30 Canadian Bay Road
> > Mount Eliza VIC 3930
> > Tel (03) 9787 7136
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