On a practical note, how would anyone ever know a photo was taken in a national
park if it only shows a bird and a bit of foliage? I'm assuming it's a species
that also occurs in that type of foliage outside of parks.
Peter Shute
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [birding-aus-
> On Behalf Of Cheryl Ridge
>Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012 12:24 PM
>To:
>Cc: ; Robert Inglis
>Subject: [Birding-Aus] Using call playback in bird watching and bird
>photography (photography illegal?)
>
>Hi Bob and others
>
>As a small scale photographer I consider my activities/impact/intentions
>to be like those of a general tourist.
>
>BUT keeping in mind some of my images MIGHT be sought for use at some
>stage I like to know I am covered by the appropriate photography
>permits.
>
>Especially when commercial can equal 'any financial gain', even $5
>(yes to "you would be surprised").
>
>I had to pull the plug on one of my images being used in a book one
>time. I was NOT being paid but as the book itself was being SOLD it was
>considered commercial use and the publisher would have received a nice
>fat invoice instead. If I'd already had a 'commercial photography'
>permit I might have been spared the drama. The interesting thing is at
>the time the fees would have been higher than that of even a wedding
>photographer!
>
>Some places, fortunately, are relaxing a bit with regard to small scale
>photography.
>
>With regard to National Parks and parks managed areas I know that
>Victoria and NSW are now waiving their fees for the annual photography
>permits BUT still require a permit.
>
>When I attempted to renew my Qld permit this year was told that
>Commercial Activity Permit is no longer required if it is only 1-2
>people and they aren't using structures.
>
>I will include some links for those who are interested in knowing about
>the permits/fees situation around the country for small scale
>photographers.
>
>However I tend to seek clarification before I embark on a trip if I
>don't already have a permit for the area (in case websites are not up to
>date).
>
>QPWS Queensland Parks and Wildlife service -
>http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p01439aa.pdf
>
>
>NSW National Parks - requires an annual registration certificate
>http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/commercial/FormPhotography.htm
>
>
>Parks Victoria - eg Annual Landscape Photography Licence
>Parks Vic has removed the annual fee for small scale/landscape
>photographers but you still have to have a permit.
>http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/park-management/applications,-licences-and-
>permits/filming-and-photography
>
>
>Northern Territory incl Uluru-Kata Tjuta and Kakadu - various permit
>processes/fees:
>
>http://www.environment.gov.au/parks/uluru/visitor-information/permits-
>commercial.html
>
>http://www.environment.gov.au/parks/permits/kakadu-photography.html
>
>http://www.nretas.nt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/122724/Commercia
>l-Filming-and-Photography-Guidelines.pdf
>
>http://www.nretas.nt.gov.au/national-parks-and-
>reserves/permits/filming#.UD1RBKC2eSo
>
>
>South Australia
>http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/Do_It_Online/filming-photography-in-
>parks
>
>
>Western Australia
>http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/content/view/30/941/
>
>
>Tasmania (Parks and Wildlife Service)
>http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/index.aspx?base=924
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:27:24 +1000
>> From: "Robert Inglis" <>
>> To: "David Stowe" <>,
>> "Carl Clifford"
>> <>
>> Cc: Birding-Aus <>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Using call playback in bird
>> watching and
>> bird photography.
>
>>
>> In this case, I have been warned that the 'local' (at least)
>> Parks and
>> Wildlife personnel are of the opinion that photography in
>> National Parks
>> (and this Conservation Park is claimed by those people) is
>> ILLEGAL. I
>> apologise for the capitalisation there but it must be
>> emphasised. Plainly
>> they are wrong as it is often emphasised in the notes about
>> particular
>> National Parks that one of the encouraged activities in the
>> park is
>> "photography". However, it is illegal to take photographs in
>> national parks
>> for commercial purposes; it is also illegal to take a photo
>> in a national
>> park initially without a commercial purpose in mind but to
>> later use that
>> photo for commercial purposes. I will not go into what
>> constitutes "a
>> commercial purpose" but it should be sufficient to say "you
>> would be
>> surprised". The short of it is that a park warden is
>> probably authorised to
>> determine on the spot if a commercial photographic process
>> is being
>> undertaken and you would have to go through a tortuous
>> process to prove
>> otherwise.
>>
>> The point of the immediate above is that I have been advised
>> that the
>> 'local' parks and wildlife representatives are quite likely
>> to 'come down
>> hard' on photographers using this hide for photography if a
>> complaint is
>> made about activities where it could reasonably by
>> considered that the
>> wildlife is being unreasonably disturbed. Once again, it is
>> in the power of
>> the local Parks and Wildlife representatives to determine
>> what is
>> "unreasonable".
>> Would that be a good thing as far as birdwatchers and bird
>> photographers are
>> concerned? Would that help to increase the numbers of
>> birdwatchers?
>>
>> And, how can a case be made to prosecute members of the
>> general public for
>> deliberately or carelessly disturbing shorebirds and terns
>> if
>> birdwatchers/photographers are also deliberately disturbing
>> wildlife for a
>> photograph?
>>
>> Dave, as a bird watcher of considerable experience and a
>> bird photographer
>> of considerable talent do you really need 'scientific proof'
>> that a bird you
>> are watching is undergoing stress as the result of call
>> playback?
>>
>> Certainly, deforestation is one of the major curses of our
>> collective
>> lifetimes but does it help if some birdwatchers are only
>> interested in their
>> personal enjoyment at the moment and are not concerned about
>> what their
>> 'now' actions mean for the future?
>>
>> I thank everyone who has responded to my initial posting,
>> for or against,
>> however, I think it is probably time to close the discussion
>> and I will not
>> comment on this topic again.
>>
>> Bob Inglis
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Stowe
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:19 PM
>> To: Carl Clifford
>> Cc: Robert Inglis ; Birding-Aus
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Using call playback in bird
>> watching and bird
>> photography.
>>
>> Carl you obviously have too much time on your hands.
>> Seriously, (not condoning this particular incident at
>> all) are there
>> honestly no bigger issues that we should be focussing on
>> that this?
>> Surely the world and politicians have alot more important
>> things to think
>> about??
>> Let's focus on the fact that National Parks are being passed
>> back to grazing
>> and half of them turned into game reserves rather than
>> worrying politicians
>> with people at least trying to enjoy the outdoors without
>> killing them!
>> As has been asked for many times - lets see the scientific
>> proof that call
>> playback has a detrimental effect. If it indeed does, let's
>> compare it to
>> the damage done by deforestation and the points mentioned
>> above.
>> Honestly its no wonder there aren't many birdwatchers - as
>> soon as people
>> get into it they are judged like never before by people with
>> far superior
>> morals. Even just birdwatching for ones own personal
>> enjoyment isn't good
>> enough for some on this forum.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
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