IOC 3.1 Pied/Torresian Imperial Pigeon

To: Mike Carter <>, birding-aus threads <>, "frank o'connor (perth)" <>
Subject: IOC 3.1 Pied/Torresian Imperial Pigeon
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:02:34 +1030
Hello Mike, Frank & everyone else, Sorry for my late input & I'm not sure if 
this Pied/Torresian Imperial Pigeon discussion has been taken off-list, but I 
suspect it has. I would like to add the following commnets: Here in Cairns from 
my own observations, it has to be said that a very many individuals of 
Torresian Imperial Pigeon have indeed a rather rich lemon-yellow belly, vent & 
undertail, complete with various black markings from the vent down.They even 
have this pale golden colour showing on the underside of wings including the 
coverts, & this can be seen quite clearly at times also showing on the 
upperside of the wings, especially close to the body on the secondaries. I must 
say that this yellow plumage, in my own humble opinion, is not dealt with 
correctly in HANZAB. I have my own images of such individuals & they are adult 
birds. Anyone is welcome to see these pics. I hope that this does add, somewhat 
belatedly, to Mike & Frank's on-line discussion re "orange" vents i
 n the Kimberley... Cheers for now,   Martin Cachard,   Cairns,   0428 782 808
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 3.1 Pied/Torresian Imperial Pigeon
> The majority of Pied Imperial Pigeons have wholly white vents and undertail 
> coverts whereas Torresian Imperial Pigeons have varying degrees of black 
> spotting or barring in those areas. Although the Kimberley birds are a 
> separate subspecies (of Torresian), no texts that I have consulted suggest 
> that they or any taxon in this complex ever have an orange vent. Handbook 
> Birds of WA says base of  undertail coverts are yellow but from that 
> description and as they are not shown in the illustration therein, I assume 
> are hidden in the field. 
> I suppose it is more likely that the Christmas Island bird was a Pied 
> Imperial Pigeon so perhaps that species should go on the Supplementary List. 
> Mike Carter
> 30 Canadian Bay Road
> Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
> Tel  (03) 9787 7136

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