Schodde and Mason's Directory

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Subject: Schodde and Mason's Directory
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:23:57 +1000
Given this comment. I am wondering if anyone is interested to buy a 2nd hand
copy of Schodde and Mason's Directory. I am quite willing to sell mine. It
is in perfect condition, autographed (by Schodde). 

Philip Veerman
24 Castley Circuit
Kambah  ACT  2902
02 - 62314041

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Stewart Ford
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 3:25 PM
To: Graeme Chapman
Subject: Australian Raven may be a candidate for

Hi Graeme et al.

A quick update on the availability of Schodde and Mason's Directory - like
many CSIRO publications it is available in eBook form from:

At $195 it might be considered a tad steep though!



On 22/06/2012, at 9:26 AM, Graeme Chapman wrote:

> Hello Steve,
> Thanks for showing an interest in ravens in W.A. etc.
> It's a while since I lived there (left WA in 1984) so my memory for 
> the details is not perfect.
> So far as I (and anybody) know, nominate coronoides doesn't occur in 
> W.A., but the Nullarbor is the key. Along with mellori, c. coronoides  
> occurs as far as the cleared farming country in S.A. that is somewhere 
> about Penong.
> The common corvid across the Nullarbor Plain is bennetti  but ravens 
> do occur closer to the coast, about as far east as Eucla. - which ones 
> is an interesting point, there are few specimens. The differences in 
> specimens of perplexus  and coronoides  are not great, and when you 
> take sexes and juveniles into account, it would need a good sample 
> from the Nullarbor region and western S.A.  to sort out what is the 
> case.
> I wouldn't pay too much notice to the "data" in the BA Atlas - Corvids 
> are probably the most mis-identified group in Australia - even the 
> latest article in Australian Birdlife (Wingspan) has a few errors.
> I feel confident that as soon as you reach Kalgoorlie, all the ravens 
> would be perplexus. Heading north from Perth, ravens are replaced by 
> Torresian Crows at the mulga/eucalypt line, on the coast road about 
> 150 km north of Geraldton.
> I assume you don't have access to Schodde and Mason's DIRECTORY (few 
> people do, mores the pity - they only printed 1000 copies) so I am 
> attaching copies of the relevant pages for coronoides. Whether the 
> Western Raven merits specific status is far from settled, otherwise it 
> would have been done already. DNA is not the final word.
> I hope this has been more help than hindrance.
> Regards
> Graeme
> On 22/06/2012, at 9:38 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
>> G'day Graeme
>> Thanks for your thoughts and reference to your site with calls.
>> Are you suggesting that the 'Western' Raven is confined to the 
>> south-west corner and the birds elsewhere in WA are nominate 
>> coronoides?  Looking at the BA atlas data in Birdata there doesn't 
>> seem to be a gap along Highway 1 across the Nullabor.  Corvids are 
>> tricky however so how many of the dots are C. coronoides and how many 
>> are C. bennetti?  I must check my own records from our trip across in 
>> 1999 when I get home tonight.  From memory we allocated many to C. 
>> bennetti (but I've learned to put less trust in my memory these 
>> days).
>> So, as you drive west and head into sw WA where do you think the 
>> 'Western' Raven first appears?  What about heading north from Perth?
>> Cheers
>> Steve


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