Inisfail bird ID

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Subject: Inisfail bird ID
From: Judith Hoyle <>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:15:32 +0000
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your analysis of the photos and the bird.  An aberrant photo, and 
not an exoctic, or an aberrant Aus species!  A female Satin or a Leaden, it is 

I asked for your opinion because my poor brain does not cope with a) being able 
to see past and through a poor photo of an exoctic-looking bird to what lies 
beneath, and b) reading statements, even though based on an expertise well 
beyond mine, that it is a Leaden or a Broad-billed without knowing exactly why. 
 I may well be wrong about being 'certain' it is not a Leaden, but now I know 

Many thanks.



To: ; 
Subject: Inisfail bird ID
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:38:27 +1100

G’day Judith great to hear from you, Firstly it’s really poor image quality, 
unbelievably poor resolution and over saturated, so that is influencing the 
impression a lot, pixels can mutate under these conditions to give all sorts of 
false impressions. It sort of looks like a heavy piece of impressionistic water 
colour painting.Contrary to impressions my money/house would be on female Satin 
or Leaden Flycatcher. If seeing is believing then it looks as though there is 
some warm colour in the wing  and whitish tips only to the inner most greater 
coverts, if all of that is real then the bird is a female Satin Flycatcher. The 
only thing against Satin would be time of year in the tropics but it’s not 
impossible. If the bird was a youngish Myiagra  with a worn wing showing 
brownish(warm coloured) you would be more likely to see the white tips in the 
lesser coverts towards the bend of the wing, infact you would probably see it 
even in a poor photo. So the question is are we seeing what’s really there, if 
so it’s a Satin for mine otherwise one of the two Satin or Leaden. When faced 
with an extremely poor photo of a Monarch that gives odd impressions, the odds 
are stacked heavily towards it being in reality an extremely poor photo of a 
Monarch that gives odd impressions rather than an exotic, if you get what I 
mean. I was going to let it go through to the keeper but will always answer a 
direct questioning. Cheers Jeff.      From: Judith Hoyle 
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 10:54 PM
To: ; 
Subject: FW: [Birding-Aus] Inisfail bird ID Hi Danny and Jeff,

What are your views on this bird?  Certain it is not a Leaden and do not think 
it is a Broad-billed as suggested bt Chris Sanderson.

Is this an Austraian first or an aberrant Aus species??




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> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:01:07 +1100
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Inisfail bird ID
> Hi all,
> One of my colleagues from work has sent me a number of photo prints. 
> They are from his mother who has been a keen backyard birder for many years 
> in Inisfail FNQ. She sent me a number of photos of birds to be IDd and I had 
> no problems with them apart from this bird, which is proving to be a bit more 
> of a puzzle. See the 2 photos of it on the following link:
> Unfortunately the photos are very poor quality, which doesn't help with the 
> ID.
> The bird arrived in her back yard recently after a cyclone and the only other 
> time she has seen them was also during/ after a cyclone 3/4 years ago. 
> A possible immature Leaden Flycatcher?
> I'd be interested in everyone's thoughts as to what it might be
> cheers
> Charlie Andrews
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