Thanks for clearing that up David. I'm all for making bullbars safer. I
suppose then that the 4WD people are more complaining about having to
replace their bullbars?
Regards,
Chris
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Peter, Chris and others
>
> The statistics in the Regulation Impact Statement say that 11% of
> pedestrian fatalities involved 4WDs or forward control vans and 67%
> involved passenger cars. There are no statistics on bullbars but I suppose
> it is possible that a significant number of passenger cars involved in
> fatalities were fitted with bullbars.
>
> The claim that bullbars will be banned seems to be a furphy and the
> proposal is to phase in new Australian Design Regulations for bullbars or
> "frontal protection systems" from 2013.
>
> See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/17/3141245.htm
>
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
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>
> From: Peter Shute <>
> To: 'Chris Sanderson' <>, "'Birding-Aus
> (Forum)'" <>
> Date: 17/02/11 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Bullbars banned in Australia?
> Sent by:
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> I can't remember how long ago I first heard of this issue, but it's nothing
> new. I'm sure I was seeing plastic bullbars more than 10 years ago,
> although that may be more to do with air bags than pedestrians. I assume
> they're finally doing something about it because of the growing popularity
> of 4WDs. If the statistics quoted on the Pedestrian council are correct
> (bullbars involved in 12-20% of fatal pedestrian crashes) then there's
> little hope things can remain as they are.
>
> But they are, of course, there for safety in some places, so hopefully a
> sensible compromise will be reached.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > On Behalf Of
> > Chris Sanderson
> > Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2011 10:35 AM
> > To: Birding-Aus (Forum)
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Bullbars banned in Australia?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've had brought to my attention an interesting issue with bullbars in
> > Australia. The guts of it is as follows:
> >
> > Cars with bullbars have been found to be far more likely to
> > kill pedestrians
> > in a collision than cars without (particularly those with
> > attachments such
> > as rod holders). The government, specifically the department of
> > infrastructure, is taking final submissions on a public
> > consultation for a
> > change of rules that will mean bullbars will be illegal in
> > Australia. As
> > far as I can tell that means unless people actually have a
> > say on the issue
> > this is going through. How it has made it this far along
> > without causing a
> > stir is anyone's guess. One reason given for the changes is
> > that similar
> > rules have been introduced in Europe, which I think is pretty
> > silly given
> > how different our fauna is here. On the other hand, maybe it
> > would be a
> > good thing if people had to actually slow down for wildlife? On the
> > pedestrian council page they talk about a flexible plastic
> > bar that could be
> > interesting, so maybe not all kinds of bullbars will be
> > illegal, just rigid
> > metal ones?
> >
> > Anyway, I figured since a lot of birders probably use 4WDs
> > with bullbars it
> > may be of interest. I've included some links below so you
> > can fill yourself
> > in and decide which side of the issue you fall on.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
> > http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/25/3120821.htm
> > <http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/25/3120821.htm>
> > http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/files/Pedes
> > trian_safety_RIS_PUBLIC_CONSULT_FINAL.pdf
> > <http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/files/Pede
> > strian_safety_RIS_PUBLIC_CONSULT_FINAL.pdf>
> > http://www.4wdcouncil.com.au/
> > <http://www.4wdcouncil.com.au/>
> > http://www.walk.com.au/pedestriancouncil/Page.asp?PageID=130
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