Doesn't cost me $450 dollars to come to work in my office for a couple of
days, but I do exect to get paid for my time...
> Ok guys , if you think it's OK, go ahead. But I don't think it costs $450
> for a couple of guys to camp out in the donga for a few days. And as I
> said
> before, I'd rather find the birds for myself. Missing out for the time
> being
> is not all that unmanageable and I've still got my $450 to spend on
> another
> trip looking for PPs some other time.
>
> Better than being spoon fed I reckon.
>
> Tony.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of John Reidy
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 5:19 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] The price of Princess Parrots
>
> I agree Steve.
>
> The Princess Parrot is such an enigmatic bird that I jumped at the
> chance, twice, to go to Kings Canyon to see it. The first time without a
> permit and didn't see it, but had a great time anyway. The second time
> when I knew I could get to the right area, with a permit, sure it cost
> $450 for the permit, but what a bird. I think its a bargain.
>
> It was only with some major efforts by the CLC, the traditional owners
> and others that this became possible at all.
>
> Yes, the birds may disperse into easy to get at areas, but my bet is
> that they won't. They will most likely disappear back into the desert
> from where they came.
>
> Anyway I am as pleased as punch that I went and saw them.
>
> Happy Birding.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 30/11/10 16:48, Steve wrote:
>> Hello all. I know people are probably getting tired of this topic but
>> some
>> things have been said that are at best ill considered, and at worst,
>> just
>> plain rude. If you think $450.00 for a days guiding to see one of
>> Australia's most difficult birds, then that's fine. But don't go making
>> accusations about "Rip offs" and "profiteering" without knowing anything
>> about how the fees have been constructed. First of all, the permit is
>> not
>> just "a piece of paper" allowing you to enter someone's land. It covers
> the
>> costs involved in escorting you through that land. The indigenous owners
>> have decreed that they don't want people wandering willy nilly through
> their
>> property (gee I wonder why not?) The logistics of making this happen
>> are
>> not even remotely comparable with what happens in Thailand, so why even
>> bring it up? Just remember there are huge distances involved here.
>> People
>> came from Alice Springs to co-ordinate this which is a four and half
>> hour
>> drive away, and petrol is expensive out there. Our indigenous guides
> camped
>> out in the middle of nowhere to meet us on the morning of the viewing.
> Come
>> on guys, there is more involved here than people realise. I don't know
>> how
>> the figure is arrived at myself, and yes, it was expensive for me too.
>> But
> I
>> wouldn't dream of calling it a rip off without knowing all the facts.
>> And
> to
>> criticise those that are prepared to pay the amount on the grounds that
>> it
>> encourages gouging.well, that's just beyond the pale.
>>
>> Steve Murray
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