Again, it has nothing to do with the Bird Forum and this chap obviously posted
to get an ID, so I can't see how this is a disincentive (sorry Paul).
It may come as a surprise to many but I think the proliferation of birding
sites is fantastic and I don't really care where anyone puts their information.
I am certainly not having a go at Bird Forum so this is my second attempt to
underline that fact as it is just not why I posted the last message.
...so having reiterated that yet again ...
does anyone care to discuss the question of whether we want, need or are likely
to care about a way to communicate sightings quickly?
Regards,
Simon.
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> CC:
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BOTH BIRDS ARE ARCTIC TERNS
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:39:51 +1000
>
> If you spend a bit of time on Birdforum, you will get an appreciation
> for why people from all round the world use it. Yes, most of the
> posts on Home > Forums > Rare Bird Sightings > Rare Bird Information
> relate to UK sightings, but anyone who wants to discover the identity
> of a bird they have photographed can get global feedback. Just the
> thing if you think you might have seen a bird that normally occurs in
> another continent.
>
> Then again, perhaps it comes down to the high profile of Birdforum on
> the web.
>
> LK
>
> On 07/10/2010, at 6:21 PM, Simon Mustoe wrote:
>
> >
> > I wasn't having a dig at bird forum. I was more interested in
> > whether Australian birders would want something more immediate. I
> > guess Bird Forum could never accommodate that because global birders
> > aren't likely to want to twitch Arctic Terns in Victoria.
> >
> > So why are birders from Australia putting these things on a global
> > forum and not in any manner that causes information to get out
> > quickly on the local birding networks? Is it that birders don't
> > realise that the birds are rare? Don't realise others would like to
> > see them? Don't care whether anyone else finds out locally? etc etc.
> > I don't have the answers. All I know is that we don't really
> > communicate bird sightings very well compared to other countries. If
> > one wanted to twitch birds locally, it would be very hard to do so.
> >
> > Just interested...not trying to have a go at anyone.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Simon.
> >
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> > Simon Mustoe
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > CC:
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> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] BOTH BIRDS ARE ARCTIC TERNS
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:14:52 +1000
> > >
> > > Birdforum is a global forum, Simon.
> > >
> > > It is used by thousands of birders posting in a range of forums.
> > Most
> > > go to the 'what bird is this' list, as was the case with the arctic
> > > tern thread - Home > Forums > Birding > Bird Identification Q&A >
> > > Smaller Terns from Melbourne, Australia. Sometimes the comments are
> > > very good, sometimes it's a case of the blind leading the blind.
> > >
> > > At the moment, there aren't many Birding-Aussers using that forum,
> > so
> > > it took a while to get into our network.
> > >
> > > LK
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07/10/2010, at 1:59 PM, Simon Mustoe wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I've just been discussing these birds with Jeff Davies. The bird
> > in
> > > > flight is also an Arctic Tern. It clearly has pale centres to the
> > > > primaries, lacks the dark wedge that one would expect on common,
> > has
> > > > a short bill and white gape above the bill. It is also starting to
> > > > moult from the centre of the crown...thanks Jeff.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of the recent reports, can I just clarify:
> > > >
> > > > 1. There is a report of 2 terns from Mordialloc on the 2 / 3
> > October
> > > > (we don't know which date, as they are reported from different
> > > > dates, depending on which page of Eremaea we look at).
> > > > 2. There is a SEPARATE report of arctic terns from Portland. It
> > was
> > > > initially unclear to me as the links provided by Rohan were to two
> > > > different records.
> > > >
> > > > I still need Arctic Tern and they can be a difficult bird in
> > Aus. It
> > > > seems odd to be finding out about these birds possibly 5 days
> > after
> > > > the event, via a UK birding forum. From a completely personal
> > > > perspective, is there any way that we can try to get records like
> > > > this out to birders quickly? It would also be very useful to try
> > to
> > > > ensure that birders accompany records with information relevant to
> > > > finding the bird. What we know about these Arctic Terns at present
> > > > is largely academic and though of some interest, it doesn't
> > actually
> > > > help birders like me to find them.
> > > >
> > > > In the case of any coastal bird like this, tide is always very
> > > > useful. Was it high or low? Time of day is good - were the birds
> > > > seen am or pm? When was the last sighting? Finally (and most
> > > > importantly), where are they? Opposite what street? Or maybe a lat
> > > > and lon.
> > > >
> > > > This is all meant to be as constructive as possible, whilst at the
> > > > same time, drawing our attention to some clear shortfalls in the
> > way
> > > > we currently present information. If we raise the bar just a
> > little
> > > > and provide better information we could make birding a lot more
> > > > accessible and rewarding.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Simon.
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
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