Masked Boobies all almost certainly going to be personata in the Cairns.
But you should always look for eye colour, its easy to see in a good view
and record your birds as either subspecies so we can learn more about the
distribution of each. I have seen a photo of both taxa standing on a beach
in New Caledonica side by side with the dark eyed bird looking bigger, but
this is probably the only way you will detect size difference and don't
forget that males and females are differently sized.
Once again, it is important to understand that these birds are still only
ssp of Masked Booby so you can't separate them on your Australian list. If
this NZ team have DNA they may well intend to look into species/subspecies
status but thus far this hasn't happened and I have no idea if they intend
to. It wouldn't surprise me if tasmani did eventually become a full species
in light of the Nazca Booby being declared a full taxa but we will just have
to wait and see where this all goes to from here, and I emphasize again they
may always remain subspecies if the science says so.
Cheers Jeff.
From: Chris Sanderson
Sent: Friday, 14 August 2009 3:55 PM
To: Jeff Davies
Cc: Richard Baxter; birding-aus
Subject: Tasman Booby = Masked Booby
Thanks for the clarification there Jeff, that's what I get for reading
newspaper accounts. So Masked Boobies from the Cairns area would be
personata? I'll have to go back through my photos now and look for eye
colour!
Regards,
Chris
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jeff Davies <> wrote:
G'day Chris,
What they are saying is that the previously thought extinct tasmani and the
recently named fullagari are the same thing, something I suspected during
production of HANZAB when we described fullagari. This DNA tells us there
has only ever been a single taxa breeding in the Tasman Sea on Lord Howe,
Norfolk and Kermadec, it has dark eyes and as a consequence of this study
now takes on the prior ssp tasmani tag. No yellow eyed birds ssp personata
breed there, they are found in the Coral Sea to the north and as far as I
know they don't interbreed. Another yellow-eyed ssp bedouti inhabits our
Indian Ocean region territories, so there is no issue to sort out from an ID
point of view, everything is as it was before except for name change.
Cheers Jeff.
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Chris Sanderson
Sent: Friday, 14 August 2009 1:23 PM
To: Richard Baxter
Cc: birding-aus
Subject: Tasman Booby = Masked Booby
Hi Richard,
The way I read it, the two species occur side-by-side in Lord Howe/Norfolk
Is. Will have to wait for more reliable info on how to ID the birds.
Regards,
Chris
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Richard Baxter
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> I'd heard rumours that this one might be coming. I guess I'll be able to
> add Tasman Booby to my OZ list sometime in the future.
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> For those that now need to see Masked Booby, I think the only places would
> be Ashmore Reef, the Lacepedes or Cocos.
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> Cheers
> Richard
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