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Sparrows

To: philip veerman <>, nick uren <>, birding-aus <>
Subject: Sparrows
From: Bill Jolly <>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:01:02 +1000
Odd that my posting below, to which Philip refers, hasn't turned up in my 
birding-aus inbox, although Philip's response to my posting has! I can't work 
that out! Anyway, Philip asked me to clarify what I meant by ".......Tree 
Sparrows (Passer montanus) of Chinese origin, which were introduced to 
Melbourne and Tasmania in small numbers in the 19th century, but have long 
since disappeared."What I meant, but didn't make clear, was that the Chinese 
Tree Sparrows were likely of the race obscuratus, which I believe has long been 
subsumed into the general mix of races that now makes up Passer montanus in 
Australia.

I'm pretty sure there was a paper in Emu some years back that suggested that 
Aussie Tree Sparrows were an amalgum of at least three races, presumably 
implying that a new trinomial was in order?

I expect this is well-documented somewhere, but I'm not well up on taxonomy at 
that level.

Bill Jolly



From: : ; ; 
: Re: [Birding-Aus] SparrowsDate: Thu, 13 Nov 
2008 21:51:01 +1100


Very good answer from Bill. I would add that there are of course many species 
of the genus Passer (which are the sparrows, the nominate genus of the order, 
from which the word passerine is derived) and only two of those were introduced 
to Australia. America also has another different family of birds, many or maybe 
all of which are called sparrows but these are not the same genus.

The differences between the House Sparrow & Tree Sparrows are far greater than 
just "physical differences between them mostly about the head". They are very 
different in the extent of sexual dimorphism and as a corollary or consequence 
in their social behaviour. (This was the subject of a thesis I did a long time 
ago.) The Tree Sparrows being very unusual among a group in which most species 
are sexual dimorphic, in that the female plumage is like the typical for the 
males of the genus.

I would also add that the native finch the Diamond Firetail is also unhelpfully 
called Diamond Sparrow sometimes.

Philip




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