pelagic prices - thoughts of a POM!

To: michael hunter <>, <>
Subject: pelagic prices - thoughts of a POM!
From: robert morris <>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:45:02 +0000
I've read with interest all the discussion on paying / not paying / free trips 
etc. I'm truly amazed (as a POM) at all the whinging. I thought I'd left all 
that behind me!

Could I suggest you try the UK. There's one (proper) pelagic a year (from the 
entire country) which is fully 'commercial' and the birds are few and far 
between (I have once seen a Fea's Petrel - our only Pterodroma!).

You guys (me included now!) are really, I mean REALLY lucky to be so 
fortunately located for seabirds. And the fact you have a dedicated bunch of 
pelagic organisers is great and you should all be grateful. The hours these 
guys put in fully deserves payment let a lone a free trip (if that even 
happens). I for one actually hope that they do get the odd free trip. The fact 
that there are people out there saying they've 'pulled out of trips when they 
found out the leader was paying is short-sighted. But it's their choice.

Anyway, even though I don't care if the organisers are going for free, getting 
paid or contributing like the rest of us, the problem is easily resolved - by 
letting people know in advance. And those who are opposed to going on such 
trips on principle can organise their own - or watch those specs on the horizon 
and wonder what they would have looked like if you'd been on the pelagic. Or 
they could try UK pelagics for a while! They'd soon be back home.......

Rob Morris  Brisbane, Australia > From: > To: 
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:55:06 +1000> Subject: 
[Birding-Aus] pelagic prices> > Dear All,> As an avid consumer of guided and 
independent bird trips on land and sea> for many years, both domestc and 
international as Qantas might say, might I> suggest that Australian birdos are 
exceptionally fortunate to have the> variety of pelagics on offer, to places 
that mere mortals rarely get to. The> Kimberley coast, Ashmore Reef, Torres 
Strait, Christmas Island and the> South-east Pacific are among the most 
interesting areas we have ever> visited, birding or otherwise, and exposure to 
the wealth of knowledge> freely given by the leaders and experienced others is 
like a University> course on seabird identification. For those not prone to the 
mal-de-mer, the> coastal trips are also brilliant experiences, as well as often 
accessing> great birds> The likes of Tony Palliser, Mike Carter, Richard Baxter 
and Phil Hansboro> among others, put in huge amounts of time and effort into 
organising these> trips, which are non-profit in the financial sense and as 
Richard has noted,> actually cost the organisers.> Any miseries out there 
carping about possible freebies should get things> into perspective. These guys 
(and Inga) have added a huge extra dimension to> Australian birding, and I for 
one am grateful to them.> > > Cheers> > Michael> PS, no charge for the 
testimonial fellas.> > Michael Hunter> Mulgoa Valley> 50km west of Sydney 
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