Good point Grant, but I also think Chris has a point and I mentioned that in my
note too that there may be better properties in the same area at a cheaper
price with the same or better bird diversity - just that they are private and
currently have no access to the likes of us. Also may be easier to get funding
if appeal is broader than birds.
Simon.
---- Grant Brosie <> wrote:
> Everyone,
>
> Forget science....protect it for the birds. Why cant a great birding location
> be protected for the sake of birds? Are Hall's Babbler, Chestnut-breasted
> Quail-thrush, Bourke's Parrot, Grey Falcon, Black-breasted Buzzard, Redthroat
> and White-browed Treecreepers really that common in Western Qld?
> Why does there need to be a small, fluffy rat or a trumped up frog on a
> location before people will look at it for conserving?
> In April we saw 103 species on Bowra in one day without really
> trying.....thats worth saving.
>
> Long live Bowra,
> Grant Brosie
> Raworth, NSW
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/6/08, Chris Sanderson <> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Sanderson <>
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Bowra
> > To: "Birding Aus" <>
> > Received: Thursday, 12 June, 2008, 9:53 AM
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What interests me about this whole debate is that no one
> > seems to be
> > addressing the core concern of the conservation groups
> > approached - that for
> > the same money much, much more could be protected. If
> > someone goes to the
> > effort of raising enough to pull off Simon's plan, why
> > not invest in a
> > different property that has more value for biodiversity?
> > After all, the
> > groups approached to buy Bowra no doubt consulted with
> > experts to come to
> > their decision, an offer to buy the property outright for
> > them would not
> > have been taken lightly. I have visited Bowra and it's
> > a lovely place with
> > some amazing birds, no denying that, but at the same time,
> > it's no
> > Mornington Sanctuary, Broome Bird Observatory, or Barren
> > Grounds...you want
> > someone to buy it, you have to make your case on more than
> > rave birding
> > reviews. Let's hear some good science.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Simon Blanchflower <
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > This is an interesting debate. Perhaps one thing to
> > consider is that people
> > > on this list and perhaps through the Birds Australia
> > mailing list are
> > > specifically invited to particpate in a opportunity to
> > part share the
> > > ownership of this property with others through say a
> > trust structure or
> > > perhaps through a tennants in common arrangement. I
> > think the trust
> > > structure is probably easiest (plus it would be easier
> > to administer /
> > > provide liquidity for multiple interests) as there are
> > a number of trustees
> > > available that can "run" the trust and allow
> > for exit and entry of unit
> > > holders through time.
> > >
> > > The key issue is the total funds needed in order to
> > "run" the property in
> > > perpetuity. But let's say the property is worth
> > $1.5m and the ongoing costs
> > > are say $200k per annum (which may be too little or
> > too much) the total cost
> > > would be about $4m (assuming an 8% discount rate)
> > needed in the trust to
> > > purchase the property and to run it.
> > >
> > > So... if we could get say 1000 unit holders interested
> > and assume equal
> > > ownership in the trust that would be $4000 each -
> > almost equivalent to a set
> > > of HANZABs.
> > >
> > > Now that would be of interest to me and others I
> > suspect, but we would of
> > > course need to see whether there are any other
> > properties in the area which
> > > might be better suited from a cost/benefit
> > perspective.
> > >
> > > Just a thought!
> > > Simon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Phil & Sue Gregory
> > <> wrote:
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > > Good summary of the Bowra situation on
> > birding-aus; I had a a
> > > > wealthy American client a couple of years ago who
> > was very impressed
> > > > with the place and actually got a group together
> > to fund the purchase,
> > > > hoping to give it to one of the well-known
> > conservation bodies. The
> > > > stumbling block proved to be the apparent need
> > for hundreds of
> > > > thousands of $ as management each year.
> > > > This was a great shame as I too would love to
> > see the place kept as
> > > > is, and aided in recovering from stocking. I fear
> > new owners taking it
> > > > over, giving birders the flick then running
> > intensive stocking and
> > > > clearance. I thought the price was very
> > reasonable too, it seems such
> > > > shame we may lose this gem over what is a
> > relatively paltry sum in
> > > > business terms.
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