This has always interested me steve. The coastal vrs Inland "adaption" can
be seen in a number of different families of bird in Australia.
The coastal Southern Emu-wren has its inland 'adaptions' of Mallee
Emu-wren and Rufous Crowned.
Ground Parrot has its inland Night Parrot.
Coastal Kingfishers have Red-back Kingfisher and Sacred (to a lesser
degree).
The list goes on...
The coastal and inland environments seem to provide very similar habitats
to each other in Australia. I know that here in Southern Victoria, you
often get what you'd normally consider to be inland species appearing in
coastal environments...like Black-eared Cuckoo, and Spiny-cheeked
Honeyater.
Western Australia is probably the best study of this phenomena where a lot
of bird species that the rest of the country would consider inland
species, have populations on the coast.
I think using water as a basis of classification might be a bit of a
furphy.
The terms Shorebirds and Waders all have reference to water, but birds
like Little Curlew, Ibis species, as well as the other 3 species
previously mentions(dotterel, lapwing and plains wanderer), all can be
found 100's of kilometres from water. Perhaps a more common element is
wide expanse's or sparse vegetation. We could call them Plainbirds, but
i'm sure they wouldn't appreciate being called plain ; )
"Stephen Ambrose" <>
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RE: [Birding-Aus] The opinions of Plains-wanderers
This discussion makes me wonder if some shorebird species of inland
Australia that aren't normally associated with present-day wetlands (e.g.
Plains Wanderer, Inland Dotterel, Banded Lapwing) once inhabited inland
wetlands of earlier geological times. As the Australian climate became
drier, perhaps many inland wetlands permanently dried up and a few species
of shorebirds adapted to living in semi-arid and arid shrublands where the
wetlands once occurred.
I've always wondered about this with respect to Australia's kingfisher
species. Did some of these species once forage and nest along prehistoric
river banks whose rivers disappeared as the continent dried out, but now
live at least part of the year in semi-arid woodlands and shrublands?
Regards,
Stephen
Dr Stephen Ambrose
Director
AMBECOL
Ryde, NSW
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Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2008 12:53 PM
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Subject: The opinions of Plains-wanderers
I believe that Plains-wanderers, if they could understand the question
(given our human limitations in presenting such a question to a far more
sophisticated species than our own) and if we could understand and
interpret
the philosophical thinking of Plains-wanderers, would greatly resent the
arrogance of our species suggesting that they should be "lumped" with any
other species or group of species and/or that they should be placed in
some
arbitrary grouping devised by human beings for their own convenience given
that
they, the Plains-wanderers (if, indeed, that is what they call
themselves),
have been spending an inordinate amount of time trying to make themselves
quite distinct from any other species that has, to our limited knowledge,
ever existed.
Just thought I would say that in response to these extracts from previous
postings (no names - no pack-drill):
"I just bought "Shorebirds of Australia", and was surprised to see that it
covers Plains-wanderer. I can understand their explanation that it's
closely
related to other shorebirds, but if it doesn't look or act like one, why
include it?"
"Not really - not all "waders" wade - some are much happier inland. Banded
Lapwings and Inland Dotterels are two examples that spring to mind that
rarely get their toes wet! The grouping into "families" is done on lots of
characteristics, not just the habitat and "Shorebirds" is generally taken
to
mean a specific scientific group. One could argue that a Silver Gull is a
shorebird as you find it at the seaside, but it does not fit in the
relevant
scientific group so I expect it will not be in your book."
"It makes more sense including them in this book, as they belong to a
family of birds referred to as "shorebirds" rather than having them
clumped with Button-quails as they were for so many years."
"Hmmm, I think it is logically questionable to use the term "belongs" when
you are referring to bird classifications. I think that Plains Wanderers
have a lot more in common with Button Quail than with Godwits and
Sandplovers."
Handbook of Birds of the World has them as a "Shorebird". Helm's
Shorebirds"
of the World does not. Pizzey does, Clements 5th does. I think IOU and
Birdlife International do as well?"
"Well, what I mean is that being "lumped" with shorebirds is somewhat
different to "belongs" in the shorebirds group. I don't think that Plains
Wanderers would view themselves as shorebirds, if it were possible to ask
their opinion."
Please note: I am in no way intending to be critical of any of the
contributors to this topic. I neither definitely agree nor definitely
disagree with any of the
statements so far made.
I would dispute, though, the claim ".....and "Shorebirds" is generally
taken
to
mean a specific scientific group". There is really nothing scientific
about
groupings such as "shorebirds", "waders", "water birds", "sea birds".
The scientific group to which "shorebirds" have been assigned is the order
Charadriiformes however not all Charadriiformes are commonly referred to
as
"shorebirds" and many Charadriiformes are definitely not "waders".
Plains-wanderers have been accepted in Australia as belonging in the order
Charadriiformes since at least 1994 (see The taxonomy and Species of Birds
of Australia and its Territories, Christidis and Bowles, RAOU Monograph 2,
1994).
Bob Inglis
Sandstone Point
Qld
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