World Checklists

To: Dave Torr <>
Subject: World Checklists
From: Alan McBride <>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:13:56 +1000
If you are a true lister you will have a list of all the lists you use too:-)


P.S. Note smiley in text;-)

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On 06/09/2007, at 12:35 , Dave Torr wrote:

I agree that Clements updates used to be good. Unfortunately as far as
I can tell there is no document that defines the changes made between
edition 5 (plus the web updates) and edition 6. I use Clements for my
world list and Christides & Boles for my Aussie list - which
unfortunately means that my Aussie list differs according to which one
I choose.

Anyone interested in comparing lists could look at Avibase
( which has
checklists for all countries using 6 different taxonomies (although
not all lists are complete and there are inevitable a few errrors).
For Australia it shows 868 species using Sibley and Munroe, 864 using
Howard and Moore, 860 using Clements 5th, 865 using Clements 6th and
886 using CINFO (A French naming system).

On 06/09/07, Sue & Phil Gregory <> wrote:
Hi Greg,
  The world listers are mostly Americans and they use Clements as the
default. The new edition is disappointing as they have missed so much
recent work and seem to have largely halted in 2002, and the names
are a nightmare as the Americans have renamed loads of Australasian
and African birds so they are different to the standard regional
field guides- cultural imperialism lives! Still, updates are promised
every 6 months or so, and the first one is going to be huge if they
stick to it.
it's also worth looking at Howard and Moore, which was the original
checklist that had all the subspecies, though the 2003 edition opts
to be conservative with the taxonomy and there have been no updates
Nothing is perfect, and the default is sorry to say Clements, though
he does have a lot of the new Oz splits this time round, (as does H &
M where Dick Schodde did this region).  You can use either to record
your sightings.  Essentially you then have to update each as and
when, but the on-line updates promised for Clements used to work well
in the past. Clements gives you 203 families in the new edition (204
in the 5th), H& M give 194, and this is significant for world listers
and collectors of families.
]Hope this helps.

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