Twitchers heaven!

To: "Katarina Stenman" <>
Subject: Twitchers heaven!
From: "Dave Torr" <>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:33:54 +1100
Thanks for the info on the Swedish site - I wish we could get our government
to sponsor such things (to add to the multitude of "listing" sites here in
Australia some of our State governments also run general fauna/flora
databases as well - some of our databases talk to each other periodically
but the situation is far from perfect!)

Eremaea and Birdpedia also offer global facilities for list maintenance -
Birdata (which is much more scientific and has all observations reviewed) is
strictly for Aussie birds. I agree the concept is good - and I know there
are other similar systems in other places as well.

On 16/01/07, Katarina Stenman <> wrote:

Sorry folks just one more about this subject

  I am almost 100% sure that most people will not
check sightings at Worldtwitcher if they plan to
go to  Sweden, Thailand or maybe Australia. In
that case you try to find a more accurate source
(=trip report archives). In Sweden we do have an
excellent thing called Svalan partly
run by the government (Yes this page in English)
which can used for checking out localities &
species as you suggested. All rare bird reports
will be checked by the local rarities committees
so it is a rather scientific system.

No the is for keeping records of
your lists. If you only have birding lists (or
mammal lists) from one country it might be easy
to remember. But after a while you will not
remember what you saw in Spain 2003 or Singapore
1999 or WA 1987 and then it is great to have a
place to keep all lists. And the site can provide
you with a family list or an Oceanian list or
...... And of course a checklist for your next
trip so you can go twitching big time. ;-)

David, I am not offended personally but want to
try to explain. I do not have any personal
interest, it is just a great site and I thought
that more people ought to find out more about it.

Over and out

  At 22:20 2007-01-15, you wrote:
>I agree that such systems are not primarily a
>scientific tool - although they can provide some
>information. One issue is that rarities tend to
>be over-reported - for example at my local site
>I see that a great rarity that turned up last
>year is reported on 3% of all reports, whereas
>birds I see every time I visit are reported only around 50% of the time.
>But for those who want to try and form a picture
>as to what is in an area so they can plan a
>birding trip these systems are very useful. As
>to not finding much data - Eremaea has around
>270,000 observations in Australia and Birdata
>over 5 MILLION. I am not sure about Birdpedia.
>So there is a wealth of data there.
>Of course - as I said - we are all free to
>record (or not record) our observations in
>whatever way we choose, but I think in general
>it is more useful if Australian sightings are
>recorded in an Australian system - and Swedish
>birds in a Swedish system (I note Eremaea has
>218 observations made in Sweden!). I doubt
>whether anyone visiting Sweden would look to
>Eremaea for information on what they are likely
>to see in Sweden - and I doubt if anyone
>visiting Australia would rely on Worldtwitch to plan their Australian
>Please do not take it personally - I have no
>direct interest in any of the three systems I
>mentioned and I have used all three - although
>most of my observations remain (I regret) on my own PC!
>On 16/01/07, Katarina Stenman
><<>> wrote:
>Hi again all out there
>Just to clarify a few things about the
><> site. It does not try to become
>a scientific atlas tool or a trip report archive.
>For me and many others it is a way to keep
>records about what I have seen and where I saw
>them.  It can be used just for you personal
>fun!!! ;-) I doubt that any serious scientist
>would put too much trust in a mishmash of
>sightings published on the web without any
>rarities committee check-up. However I did check
>out the ones you listed (Eremaea, Birdpedia and
>Birdata) and I doubt that they can be of any use
>at the moment. Not many reports or maybe I failed
>while searching. For example the mapping tool is
>great but not useful if someone want to keep a record of their lifer
>Taxonomy and spelling of names is always a
>problem. However as long as the scientific names
>are following a published list - who really needs
>the common names? And I am not trying to be
>snobbish but it is true. Always thought that
>botanists can do it so why not birders?
>Keep on twitching despite the fact that the
>discussed site not is proudly Australian
>At 00:53 2007-01-15, you wrote:
> >Just had a look at the site - I am all in favour of people publishing
> >lists online so that other birders can build up a picture of what is
> >being seen in various places. But we already have three online services
> >Australia (Eremaea, Birdpedia and Birdata) which is probably two too
> >so adding another one seems to only make matters worse. Of course all
> >birders are free to do what they like and use what they like and I
> >want to knock any service, but I would certainly hope that anyone
seeking to
> >publish their sightings would do it in one of the three Aussie
> >which are more likely to be referred to by anyone doing research.
> >
> >I checked the site out and it had some fairly strange names - such as
> >Spotted Emu.
> >
> >On 12/01/07, Katarina Stenman <
> <>> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi all
> >>
> >>This is a short promotional email for all of you
> >>out there that like to keep track of your birding
> >>adventures. Worldtwitcher
> >><>http:/
> / is a new
> >>web site that gives you FREE access to bird and
> >>mammal lists for almost all countries in the
> >>world. Even subspecies are in most cases listed.
> >>You can also add personal lists for the backyard,
> >>latest Tassie holiday or year 2006. Pictures can
> >>be added too. There are also features that can
> >>give you the list of your "unseen" birds in a
> >>country or the combined Asian list if you have
> >>been to several countries and would like to know
> >>the total. Of course you see a lifer list when
> >>you have added all your sightings. Printouts are
> >>possible. Ranking lists of totals and countries
> >>are available to compare with your friends. Of
> >>course you can choose to hide all your lists and just keep it
> >>
> >>Worldtwitcher is run by a Swedish guy, Nicklas
> >>Strömberg with some support from the Swedish
> >>Club300 and the Ornithological Society. When
> >>talking about bird lists there are always
> >>problems about what to put on the lists as there
> >>are always new splits and lumps and different
> >>opinions about names. This web site follows
> >>"Clements" and to some this might be strange but
> >>that is the authority that most European birders
> >>follow. No other options are available. It is
> >>still under construction (version 2 just
> >>released) and of course there are errors and
> >>bugs. But if you find anything faulty just send
> >>Nicklas an email and he will try to sort it out.
> >>
> >>Hope that you join this great system and start
> >>twitching. See you on the Aussie list........
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Katarina Stenman
> >>Sweden
> >>
> >><>
> >><>
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