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Godwits

To: "Peter Madvig" <>, "birding-aus" <>
Subject: Godwits
From: "Danny Rogers" <>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:31:00 +1000
Hi,
 
Peter Madvig is right, there's a mistake in HANZAB. The measurements of wing, bill, tarsus and so on in the back of the HANZAB texts were taken from museum skins, specifically for HANZAB, and they are a good guide to the size of the birds. However, the total length measurements given at the start of the HANZAB texts were a perennial headache. Total length is a measurement that can't be taken reliably on museum skins (as the length of a skin depends on how much the preparator stretched it). We did get some data from labels (some preparators measured total length of a specimen before they began to to take the skin off), but those measurements were often wildly inaccurate. We did our best, but sometimes we had to resort to published literature as a source. The literature wasn't great, as other book authors have had the same problems and have often copied one another.
 
I'd guess that's the problem with the godwit total length measurements in HANZAB, though the more specialised measurements in the back should be fine. The size difference between the two in the field is interesting. Both Bar-tailed and Black-tailed Godwits vary geographically. Europe has the smallest Barwit race, Eastern Australia and NZ has the biggest. In contrast Black-tailed Godwits are biggest in Europe, and we get the smallest subspecies (melanuroides) in Australia. As a result, in Australia Black-tailed Godwits are clearly smaller than Bar-tailed; in Europe it's the other way around, with Black-taileds being larger than Bar-taileds. It has in fact been suggested that east Asian Black-tailed Godwits should be split off as a full species, but I don't think any DNA investigations of this idea have been carried out yet.
 
Danny Rogers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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