Doe Re Me: A wager

[Penn Gwynne <>]

I've had a bad fall, my mate "Philip", with one Elle, lucky you how did you manage to catch that beautiful young lady? envious JAG missing Hilary.

"Philip A. Veerman" <> wrote:

 

Sorry JAG, you are wrong.

 

You have a big lapse in logic in writing: "bird deaths caused by an unnatural event such as being snared by a longline or snared in a tree due to being trapped by a legband are NOT a NATURAL event and therefore will not appear in the databases of those that snare".

 

Is it a natural event for a wild bird to be born with a legband?

 

Your use of the word "therefore" is wrong, there is no connection between these statements. By my reading of the bander's manual (admittedly an old 1989 version) it is quite clear that all records should be kept that include any mortality arising from the activity or any other cause and that there are a set of codes to record this.

 

Missing banded sea birds? are assumed? If all banders followed the rules then fine NOT A PROBLEM from me but obviously they do not ... hence the deaths in a myriad of ways.

 

There was even a code for "bird died before banding" a rather obscure case as in why would you then band it?

 

Incorrect handling during the banding and catching process MUST be included.

 

It was presumably added so that all possibilities could be included.

 

If not then once again I say that results are flawed? as they have been in the past. If the past (dat) is flawed then surely this flaws modern day stats?

 

Therefore any such events should "appear in the databases of those that snare." I am referring to banders, not to longline fishing bycatch which clearly is a problem. (Also clearly that any actions likely to cause it should not be used).

 

On the above paragraph we totally agree.

 

We read the same books eh? bander's manual (1989 version)

is there a later version? one that perhaps focuses more on thee OH&S approach to bird life and wild bird handler?

 

Anti banding writings on this line long ago got rather boring and have run their course and have rarely been convincing, compared to the value for conservation and research that such methods achieve.

 

I find it hard to accept that conservation/banders/bird deaths can be put in the same sentence. They clearly can not nor should not? unless we conserve by what is in a frudge?

 

p.s. I don't know what the subject line "a wager" is about.

 

Let me get off these painkillers and I will explain ... how is circular City recovering? any rain to speak of to help the regrowth? my wonderful CFA friends tell me tales about events up there, pure heroism by many local residents that saved wildlife. Bye for now, armless JAG going indoor flying soon, just like Moses I am. By and by, "Kanhai" have a shot at a famous mathematician on "thee list" ... I'm going to buy him some famous 2R pen-cils ... he might get constipated? Why is that so? well another BA person tells me that constipated mathematicians work it out with a pencil? not hard to guess who sent me that eh? thank you all and yep Eggy feels very much at home on my new black and blue hand.

 

I suppose I should be grateful it's not a black and blue band eh, Philip.

 

You wouldn't believe owl long this email has taken to riot .. should we get Andrew without pencils to try and work it out?

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