"Bad" birds, are real.

To: "Jeffrey Amess" <>, "Birding-Aus" <>
Subject: "Bad" birds, are real.
From: "Philip A Veerman" <>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:37:21 +1000
Why do you find it hard? It is all quite simple. Your (Jeffrey Amess')
suggestions, which are intended as facetious are very good ones. Only for an
ideal world, which doesn't exist but that it no excuse for doing nothing.
There are of course limits to what can be achieved. We should do our best to
correct some of the problems we (European people) have created, through
being stupid. Yes Mynas are entertaining but Australia would be better off
if they could be eliminated and the same with many other species that you
mentioned. The definition of "endemic" in this context is easy. Your phrase
"some healthy competition for environmental space" is quite grotesque. Many
of our species face more than enough problems with habitat destruction to
find it hard to survive extra competition when both problems are human

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Amess <>
To:  <>
Date: Tuesday, 11 April 2000 19:19
Subject: "Bad" birds, no such thing

>I find it hard to understand the labelling of ANY of our avian population
>good, bad or indifferent, there must of course be a basis. But to then plan
>the eradication of the disliked species ad hoc seems to be a plan which is
>hatched in some fools paradise, where ALL so called "feral" "alien"
>"invasive" species must be destroyed as to return the environment to its so
>called "endemic" ideal population. I think that there should be a
>as to what constitutes an "endemic" species, how long must a species be
>resident before being considered as belonging?  Perhaps after the
>destruction of the Common Myna, "considered globally to be a very
>coloniser", there will be campaigns to eradicate species such as the Common
>Starling, House and Tree Sparrow, The two Goldfinches, Blackbird, Cattle
>Egret, House Crow (a wiry foe), Ostrich, Spotted and Laughing Dove, Feral
>Pigeon, and I suspect a lot more, oh and then we can start on those
>mammalian invaders who destroy avian habitat, humans first.
>There is no doubt that ALL invasive species will affect the endemic
>population in one way or another and thus introduce some healthy
>for environmental space, the subject Common Myna tends not to invade the
>rural areas as they like to stay close to large human populations, so if
>they are in your area, twitch them and study them, they have some great
>behaviour, just live with them as they are here to stay.
>Good luck at your paradigm shift, Jeff.
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