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Embedded raptor claws in fish (fwd)

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Subject: Embedded raptor claws in fish (fwd)
From: Michael Hines <>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:13:29 +1000 (GMT+1000)
        An interesting post from another list.

        Mike Hines
        42,Pangeza Street, 
        Stafford Heights, 
        Brisbane,
        Queensland, 4053,
        Australia.             Phone 07 33594998.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:56:40 -0600
From: Darren Tanke <>
Reply-To: The scientific discussion of Ornithology
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Subject: Embedded raptor claws in fish

 I am compiling a massive annotated bibliography of vertebrate osteo- and
dental pathology; see URL in sig.file below for project homepage and
details. I'm currently trying to track down some references concerning
embedded foreign objects in live animals, particularly birds, and would
welcome this groups input.

 Years ago, as a boy, I read somewhere that on rare occasion, Ospreys, in
their predations on fish, would occasionally try grabbing a fish too large
for them to fly away with. Locked together, the fish would pull the hapless
Osprey under the water where it would drown. The fish now swam around towing
the Osprey carcass along, which would eventually rot and fall away, but
LEAVING the claws embedded in the fish where they remained after they were
encapsulated during the healing process. Given the number of strange
articles I've come across on embedded objects in animals, this scenario
makes logical sense yet I have been unable to find any popular or scientific
papers describing such cases. Do you know of any? If so please let me know.
Any other paper citations on embedded objects in any other bird, or raptor
claws of other species found embedded in potential prey are welcomed.

 Is this, in fact true? Are fish known with embedded Osprey or other raptor
claws? Or are we looking at another "urban legend/myth"?

  I do not have ready access to a major university or natural history
library and would appreciate any comments or citations being brought to my
attention. I am not subscribed to this discussion group, so please respond
to me offline:        I am in the process of moving
and will be unable to answer any responses or queries for about 9-12 days.

 Thankyou,

 Darren Tanke        Bibliography project homepage:
http://dns.magtech.ab.ca/dtanke


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Senior editor of: Annotated Bibliography of Paleopathology, Dento-Osteopathy
and Related Topics. 12,039 citations as of January 10, 1998.
For details, visit our bibliography homepage at: http://dns.magtech.ab.ca/dtanke
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