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1. Re: Miniature Pseudo-SASS Array

Subject: 1. Re: Miniature Pseudo-SASS Array
From: "Klas Strandberg" klasstrandberg
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:24 am ((PDT))
At 06:36 2012-08-12, you wrote:
>Hi Klas,
>
>I've only had a very quick listen, and only to a few of the files.
>
>A couple of comments - in my own recordings I found the original
>Crown SASS tended to block sounds from directly in front because the
>nose was too 'square', and the SASS design seems to work better with
>the nose tapered a bit to give a more even spread of sound.

Hi Vicky,
Yes, it blocks, especially from the back. The SASS is a forward
looking microphone.

>The SSM seems very bright in comparison to the SASS, and the image
>seems not as wide.

The SASS sounds muffled sometimes, I have no deeper knowledge about
when and why.
But you are right when you say that the SASS has a wider image. It is
the left / right "reaching out" that you hear + the level stereo
caused by the nose and the back plate.

>If the same capsules are being used, I am at a loss to say why one
>rig should be so much brighter than the other (I was listening to the
>tracks with rain).  Unless it's something to do with the too-wide
>nose of the SASS?

That can easily be explained: The pressure build up at the SASS,
(which is the only thing that the mic's knows anything about) is
totally different than around the SSM cylinder.

>Nice sound from the SSM though.   I definitely know what you mean by
>being comfortable (or not) when listening to nature recordings.

Thank you, then we are two!

Klas.


>cheers,
>
>Vicki
>
>
>
>On 12/08/2012, at 9:40 AM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, I can't stay out of this, even if I perhaps should.
> >
> > At http://klas.telinga.com/SSM-SASS/ there is a comparison between
> > the Telinga SSM and the SASS. I put up this site only to ask a few
> > people that I trust, to say their opinions.
> >
> > The site is messy and you have to read the track descriptions
> > carefully. But it does give an impression on how different, or alike,
> > two systems can be. The microphone capsules are the same.
> >
> > Bernie, about Curts rig and the "Murie" mike,
> > It seems to me as if our brain (hearing) mostly is quite pleased with
> > getting some "clues" about what is happening and that unconscious
> > processes, based on experience, add what is lacking. In this issue
> > about mini-mic's, it means that the brain only needs a stereo "reach
> > out" at some higher frequencies and adds the rest by experience.
> > This is supported by recent psychological experiment on seeing. There
> > are evidence that the brain can take decisions much faster than what
> > ever reaches our conscious part of the brain, simply by getting some
> > "clues" and then adding, based on experience and probability. It's
> > really a revival of Freud, actually, but in other words and focusing
> > on perception.
> > If so, it might explain why I "feel" the difference between different
> > mic systems and also between different loudspeaker systems. Some
> > systems seem to make "emotional sense", while others do not. It could
> > be that some systems make my brain work hard to fill the gaps,
> > (stress) while other systems already contains most of what my brain
> > needs, (tranquility).
> >
> > It's a speculation, but it would partly explain "why it works" when
> > it "shouldn't". The Murie mike "worked" but I never "felt"
> > comfortable with it, even though I tried and tried. Instead of
> > enjoying what I heard, I was all the time busy thinking about what
> > would happen if the capsules were more apart, or more angled out, or
> > closer, or.... what? I could never relax to what I heard.
> >
> > Klas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 17:39 2012-08-11, you wrote:
> >> <<The SASS-type rigs deliver a super clean image without any of the
> >> "wavy" microphone interactions that are common to ORTF, M-S and
> >> Spaced-Omni arrays. >>
> >>
> >> Could you describe what you mean by "wavy"? Given how vastly
> >> different ORTF, MS & Spaced Omni are from each I can't imagine what
> >> characteristic they would all have in common. Are you referring to
> >> the partial blending toward mono of any non-baffled array?
> >>
> >> Scott Fraser
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> >> Krause.
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > email: 
> > website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
email: 
website: www.telinga.com









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