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> 1a.
> Re: Rode ntg3 on the field, anyone? From: Flawn Williams
> 2.1.
> Re: ORTF Recommendations From: myles.thompson
> 3a.
> iPad From: thorley_tom
> 3b.
> Re: iPad From: thorley_tom
> 4.
> MKH 40 Pair / ORTF configuration From: myles.thompson
> 5a.
> Re: mic arrays and M/S behaviour From: Luiz do Carmo
> 6a.
> Flammulated Owl From: kjcolver
> 6b.
> Re: Flammulated Owl From: Martyn Stewart
> 6c.
> Re: Flammulated Owl From: Kevin Colver
> 7a.
> Re: MOTU Traveler. Was "Mic arrays and M/S behaviour" From: Luiz do
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> 1a.
> Re: Rode ntg3 on the field, anyone?
> Posted by: "Flawn Williams" =C2=A0 flawn1951
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 5:30=C2=A0am (PDT)
>
>
> I do not have personal experience with the NTG-3. But it is built
> using an 'RF condenser' design similar to what Sennheiser has done for
> years with its 416 and MKH series. And that, according to Sennheiser
> and now Rode, is what gives the mikes excellent protection against
> problems in high heat and high humidity.
>
> On Sep 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, wrote:
>
> > 6a. Rode ntg3 on the field, anyone?
> > Posted by: "lamacchiacosta" lamacchiacosta
> > Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:42 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > I would like to know if someone on the list owning a Rode ntg3 has
> > some feedback using it on the field and on location.
> > How is his behaviour on very high humidity and extreme temperature
> > condition?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > Eamnuele
>
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> 2.1.
> Re: ORTF Recommendations
> Posted by: "myles.thompson" =C2=A0 myles.thompson
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 6:00=C2=A0am (PDT)
>
>
>
> Sounds like an excellent set-up with the wind protection accessories
> included. But it also seems to have different mics: the outdoor set
> uses CCM4's, while the 'indoor' MSTC 64 set uses MK4's. I guess that
> also affects the cost. I got a quote for 4721 EUR for the outdoor
> set and 2899 EUR for the 'naked' indoor set (without wind protection).
>
> --- In "E_Karel" <> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In "myles.thompson"
> <mmyleso@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The outdoor set looks interesting - but it's considerably more
> expensive.
> >
> > Yes, but it includes the suspension, ConnBox, and wind protection,
> which you'll need outside. With the MSTC, you're limited to the
> separate small baskets on each mic, which doesn't offer nearly the
> wind protection of a full zeppelin. So including this cost, it's not
> actually much more expensive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In "E_Karel" <ekarel@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Schoeps in ORTF is fantastic. But for outdoor work, rather
> than the MSTC 64 U, they now offer this combination using the
> compact series, which looks perfect:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/ortf-stereo-outdoor
> > > >
> > > > _Ernst
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> 3a.
> iPad
> Posted by: "thorley_tom" =C2=A0 thorley_tom
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 11:13=C2=A0am (PDT)
>
>
> Did not find anything about this in the forums - sorry to be long
> winded if it has already been raised...
>
> "This post is more for the benefit of people searching for this
> information than regular readers, who (I assume) already know this.
> I conducted some experiments with this a few days ago for an article
> I was writing for CM, and have since figured out some new things, so
> I thought I'd share them.
> Q: Can I use a USB audio interface with an iPad? A: Yup. There are
> some caveats, and they need to be paid attention to, but in general
> it Just Works.
>
> Q: Caveats? You're gonna drop Latin in to this x? A: That's how I
> roll. Seriously, though, as far as my experimentation shows, the
> following information is true: first, the interface has to be class-
> compliant. That means that it needs to work in an OS X computer
> without a driver install. Second, it has to be USB1.0-compatible. No
> USB2.0-only interfaces. And finally, it has to either use less than
> 200ma of power or be externally powered.
>
> Q: Hold on, let me get my... what? A: A safe rule of thumb is that
> if it has mic pres (especially if it's able to provide phantom
> power) it's going to need a wall wart or something.
>
> Q: Okay. Got it. What else do I need? A: Pop over to the nearest
> Apple store and get yourself a Camera Connection Kit. This otherwise
> useless =C2=A325.32 adaptor plugs in to the 30-pin docking port and gives=
> you a USB port, ostensibly for hooking up cameras that have only on-
> board memory. As a camera connection kit, it's kind of stupid,
> because you can buy SD cards now that have as much storage as even a
> maxed-out iPad, so I'm unclear as to its stated purpose and the
> usefulness thereof. But as an audio adapter, it works fine.
>
> Q: Okay. Last question. Does every audio app just sound out the
> interface when it is plugged in? A: Nope.
>
> Long answer: there are several ways to give a program sound in Cocoa
> Touch. These are, on the whole, the same ways as in OS X proper. You
> can use OpenAL, but that's just a sample playback engine, really.
> There is also a system sound engine, or you can programically access
> the part of the OS concerned with playing back MP3s/AAC/whatever if
> you'd like. The final method, and the one that gives you bit-level
> access to the outputs, is to talk to CoreAudio, just like in OS X.
>
> This final method is poorly documented and hideously complex, and
> even big companies x it up occasionally. But this is, as far as I
> can ascertain, the only method by which the USB outputs are utilized.
>
> So, long story short: any App that uses CoreAudio for its playback,
> and does a good job of using it, automatically shunts its inputs (if
> it has 'em) and outputs to the USB device. Applications that use
> OpenAL (games for the most part, but some audio programs like the
> ridiculous-bordering-on-stupid Magic Piano, and many sample playback
> apps of that ilk) send the audio to the headphone jack or the
> onboard speakers only. Apps that use the system sound engine or
> access the iTunes library in some crafty way also can't access this
> method.
>
> One exception to this rule is Korg's iElectribe. As I said,
> CoreAudio in Cocoa Touch is incredibly complicated and poorly
> documented, and even big companies mess it up. iElectribe is an
> example of that. iElectribe _must_ use CoreAudio; it wouldn't work
> any other way. However, when a USB audio device is plugged in,
> iElectribe crashes on start-up. This will no doubt bum some people
> out.
>
> And last but not least: all that x I said about the iPad above? It
> also applies to the iPhone. (And I assume the iPod Touch, although
> I've not verified this.) I will say, however, that I have OS4 in my
> iPhone, so I can't say for certain that it works with OS3.1. If
> someone has a CCK and an iPhone with OS3.1 and wants to verify this,
> that would be cool.
>
> EDIT: I just tried it with my wife's iPhone, which is running 3.1,
> and it DOES NOT WORK. So if you were planning on going to get a
> Camera Connection Kit just to use audio from your iPhone or iPod
> Touch, you need to wait until OS4 is released for this to work. It
> works fine with OS4, though, essentially the same as with the iPad."
>
> this has mostly been tested by hifi buffs but i would assume the
> micport pro would also be compliant...
>
> Confirmed works
> - Nuforce uDAC [Skylab, Headphoneaddict, uofmtiger, torcik]
> - DacMagic [uofmtiger]
> - Xitel Pro Hifi-Link [deadie]
> - Predator [jc9394] (have to put the volume to 100%)
> - iBasso D4 [Headphoneaddict]
> - iBasso D1 [trickywombat]
> - iBasso D3 [hypoicon]
> - iBasso D10 [qusp - doesn't work; HeadphoneAddict, rhw - works
> (charging off)]
> - Pico DAC [Headphoneaddict, warp08]
> - Micro II usb/digital [kredmore]
> - Headroom Total BitHead [qin]
> - Headroom Desktop Portable amp w/DAC [muski]
> - TTVJ Portable w/DAC [grawk]
> - TTVJ Slim DAC/Amp [gopack87]
> - Fiio E7 [Jack-Micca, feiao]
> - C&C F1U USB DAC/Amp [phytonix]
> - Meier Corda Symphony DAC/Amp [Noumenon]
> - Little Dot Dac1 [uofmtiger]
> - devilsound v2.1 dac [decur]
> - Music Hall DAC 25.2 [Skylab]
> - Vivid Technologies V1 USB DAC HD AMP [ccklone]
> - Valab NOS USB DAC [ccklone]
> - Aune USB DAC/AMP [ccklone]
> - Sigtone h1 - without any trouble [rhw]
> - USB monica NOS DAC - no problems [rhw]
> - DACport (works after flash update) [HeadphoneAddict]
> - HA Info NG Coax USB to SPDIF Converter [rhw]
>
> Issues(?):
> - Headphonia DAC cable [qc98, shigzeo - works; utdeep - works but
> seems "lifeless"]
> - PopPulse PCM 1796 DAC [rhw - first an error message, but after
> reconnection works fine]
>
> Doesn't work
> - MobilePre (legacy) [porieux]
> - iQube V2 portable [Skylab]
> - Yulong D100 home DAC [Skylab]
> - PWD [jc9394]
> - uDAC-2 [headphoneaddict]
> - nuForce Icon Mobile [yukster]
> - Hot Audio DAC-Extacy USB DAC [ccklone - dialog box;too much power]
> - M2 Hiface USB stick [ccklone - not really a DAC, but didn't work
> feeding a "known good" DAC]
>
> Further to this I know that several budget pro audio interfaces are
> compatible but do not have a full list I can add...
>
> griffin imic
> edirol ua25
>
> the rest have slipped my memory maybe we could compile a list here?
>
> Personally my needs are for 2ch digital i/o and to this end i am
> going to test the roland UA-1G as it is a simple low profile cheap
> interface with allows me to hook preamps / conversion of my
> choice... Will settle for 2ch now until apps start supporting
> multichannel i/o....
>
> As to the inevitable ergonomics issues that will be brought up cant
> argue with them but still think it is a kinda cool high resolution 2
> track as a backup / toy ;-)
>
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> 3b.
> Re: iPad
> Posted by: "thorley_tom" =C2=A0 thorley_tom
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 11:20=C2=A0am (PDT)
>
>
> btw. I am not sure if this has proven true as re os4 as i was only
> looking into the ipad and this is the only reference i came across
> to iphone / touch but may be interesting to some of you who are into
> researching a more compact setup...
>
> > EDIT: I just tried it with my wife's iPhone, which is running 3.1,
> and it DOES NOT WORK. So if you were planning on going to get a
> Camera Connection Kit just to use audio from your iPhone or iPod
> Touch, you need to wait until OS4 is released for this to work. It
> works fine with OS4, though, essentially the same as with the iPad."
>
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> 4.
> MKH 40 Pair / ORTF configuration
> Posted by: "myles.thompson" =C2=A0 myles.thompson
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 11:20=C2=A0am (PDT)
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just got hold of a pair of Sennheiser MKH 40's and I'm
> wondering how to set them up with a convenient wind protection
> system for ORTF recording (or something along those lines). Anyone
> have any experience/advice - or ideally - any pictures of such set-
> ups?
>
> Myles
>
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> 5a.
> Re: mic arrays and M/S behaviour
> Posted by: "Luiz do Carmo" =C2=A0 lecarmo
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 1:55=C2=A0pm (PDT)
>
>
> Thanks Dan.
>
> I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m kind of embarassed for my laziness and severe =
lack of
> basic reading. If I
> were otherwise a little more attentive to my own stored files I
> could get the
> texts I had gathered and solve my =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Cdoubts=C3=A2=E2=82=
=AC=E2=84=A2. I simply
> didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t do my homework.
>
> Luiz
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dan Dugan <>
> To:
> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 9:16:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] mic arrays and M/S behaviour
>
> > The M/S results are great, but I would like to know which mic
> capsules would be
> >involved in the final mixed sound.
> >
>
> All of them! Well, directly on-axis in front is in the null of the
> side mic, so
> that direction is just the M mic. for direct sound. All other angles
> are blends
> of the two except for straight back which, if M is a cardioid, will
> be in the
> null of both mics and dead, for direct sound.
>
> Since in the real world sound is diffuse, the tonality of all sounds
> is a blend
> of the two mics.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
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> 6a.
> Flammulated Owl
> Posted by: "kjcolver" =C2=A0 kjcolver
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 4:40=C2=A0pm (PDT)
>
>
> Having left the recorder out all night in a breezy Aspen/Fir
> woodland, I recorded the Flammulated Owl with a Great Horned Owl in
> the distance. It was 2 AM. You can listen at www.7Loons.com or at
> the "Soundscapes for Birders" free podcast at the iTunes Store.
>
> There is one call note that I haven't heard before on any commercial
> bird sound guides. Does anyone recognize it as the Flam Owl?
>
> Recorded with Sound Devices 722 and Sennheiser MKH 30/40 MS pair.
>
> Kevin Colver
>
> www.7Loons.com
>
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> 6b.
> Re: Flammulated Owl
> Posted by: "Martyn Stewart" =C2=A0 mijdog2000
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 7:58=C2=A0pm (PDT)
>
>
> Yes, it is the sound of the Flammulated owl, Kevin.... I have the
> same from Eastern WA...
> The recording however sounds a little tinny, have you posted at a
> low sample rate? Can't get this to play as good as your previous
> posts....
>
> Martyn
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> On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:40 PM, kjcolver wrote:
>
> > Having left the recorder out all night in a breezy Aspen/Fir
> woodland, I recorded the Flammulated Owl with a Great Horned Owl in
> the distance. It was 2 AM. You can listen at www.7Loons.com or at
> the "Soundscapes for Birders" free podcast at the iTunes Store.
> >
> > There is one call note that I haven't heard before on any
> commercial bird sound guides. Does anyone recognize it as the Flam
> Owl?
> >
> > Recorded with Sound Devices 722 and Sennheiser MKH 30/40 MS pair.
> >
> > Kevin Colver
> >
> > www.7Loons.com
> >
>
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> 6c.
> Re: Flammulated Owl
> Posted by: "Kevin Colver" =C2=A0 kjcolver
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 9:58=C2=A0pm (PDT)
>
>
> Hi Martyn,
>
> Thanks for the confirmation on the owl call ID.
>
> The podcast is much more windy than most I've done and it was
> amplified which brought out some of the wind harmonics. I wondered
> about posting something with all the wind, but decided wind is part of
> nature too, so I gave it a go. I'm going back next spring for another
> try at this bird.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Colver
>
> www.7Loons.com
>
> On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Martyn Stewart wrote:
>
> > Yes, it is the sound of the Flammulated owl, Kevin.... I have the
> > same from Eastern WA...
> > The recording however sounds a little tinny, have you posted at a
> > low sample rate? Can't get this to play as good as your previous
> > posts....
> >
> > Martyn
> > *************************************
> > Martyn Stewart
> > www.naturesound.org
> > www.soundofcritters.com
> >
> > Redmond WA
> > 425-898-0462
> >
> > 47.65420118705451
> > -121.98158740997314
> >
> > Make every garden a wildlife habitat
> > **************************************
> > Listen to the Birds and the Bees at
> > http://naturesound.libsyn.org/
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > View a Nature Recordists Blog!
> >
> > http://naturesound.org/Blog/Blog.html
> >
> > http://naturesound.org/this_weeks_recordings/
> > this_weeks_recordings.html
> >
> > Follow me on AudioBoo
> > feed://audioboo.fm/users/31466/boos.atom
> >
> > Listen to my sounds on Facebook:
> > http://tinyurl.com/ye2dw7p
> >
> > P please consider the environment before printing this email
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:40 PM, kjcolver wrote:
> >
> > > Having left the recorder out all night in a breezy Aspen/Fir
> > woodland, I recorded the Flammulated Owl with a Great Horned Owl in
> > the distance. It was 2 AM. You can listen at www.7Loons.com or at
> > the "Soundscapes for Birders" free podcast at the iTunes Store.
> > >
> > > There is one call note that I haven't heard before on any
> > commercial bird sound guides. Does anyone recognize it as the Flam
> > Owl?
> > >
> > > Recorded with Sound Devices 722 and Sennheiser MKH 30/40 MS pair.
> > >
> > > Kevin Colver
> > >
> > > www.7Loons.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> 7a.
> Re: MOTU Traveler. Was "Mic arrays and M/S behaviour"
> Posted by: "Luiz do Carmo" =C2=A0 lecarmo
> Thu Sep=C2=A02,=C2=A02010 5:50=C2=A0pm (PDT)
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I'm sure the specs for the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra are not
> atractive concerning
> its preamps.
>
> The Motu Traveler looks like a very nice peace of equipment, but I
> want my gear
> to be the lightest, most robust and simplest as possible. I believe
> that a
> combination of an audio interface with a laptop won't suit my plans.
>
> Luiz
>
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Fraser <>
> To:
> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 11:21:55 AM
> Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: MOTU Traveler. Was "Mic arrays and
> M/S
> behaviour"
>
> <<I'=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=80=9E=C2=A2ve also thought about a set=
up with an interface +
> laptop,=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93
> mostly for the small issues regarding the DR-680 and the R-44=C3=A2=E2=80=
=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2
> =E2=82=AC=C5=93, but
> the noisy pres on the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra were not compelling.>>
>
> No personal experience but I've not heard anything favorable regarding
> any of the M-Audio interfaces. They have a poor reputation in pro
> circles.
>
> <<Then I heard here about the Motu Traveler-mk3, took a look at it and
> was impressed with the quality of the preamps, allegedly great, at
> least for the reviewers.>>
>
> Although I haven't done nature recording with the Traveler, I have
> recorded a fair share of music projects on location with it, from
> orchestras to string quartets to solo harpsichord, all for CD release.
> If budget were no issue the Traveler wouldn't be my first choice, but
> in its price range I've been quite favorably impressed with the
> transparency & available gain of its mic preamps. That, in addition to
> its full feature set (word clock i/o, AES i/o, SPDIF i/o, 2 x ADAT i/
> o, additional 4 line inputs, multiple powering options & the built in
> DSP,) & seamless integration with my DAW of choice (Digital
> Performer) have made it an easy choice. For film/video application
> (provided you're working from a cart rather than a shoulder-slung bag
> on the run,) you could run this with Boom Recorder & have full access
> to all the file metadata needed by post editors. The Traveler is also
> the only portable unit I own whose headphone output can actually get
> louder than I need it to be.
>
> Scott Fraser
>
>
>
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