Hi--
There's a .doc referenced in this section of the
FAQ that might help Digidandy with his research:
http://tinyurl.com/29lhzub
The URL for the Community FAQ is:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=3Ddcvd49w8_23fbw2vqg2
Rob D.
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At 9:53 AM +1000 7/18/10, vickipowys wrote:
>Rob & Martyn,
>
>Can we have a link direct to the new FAQ pages where the small PIP
>microphones are discussed in more detail? Could this link be shown
>at the bottom of all emails, automatically, in the same way that the
>quotation from Bernie is always shown?
>
>thanks,
>
>Vicki
>
>On 18/07/2010, at 6:58 AM, digidandy wrote:
>
>> Vicky,
>>
>> I am not familiar with the new Telinga clip on mics you mention,
>> and I'm not sure I can find anything about them on the Telinga web
>> site.
>>
>> Could you be more specific?
>>
>> =D8.
>>
>> --- In
>><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>=
om,
>>vickipowys
>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Christian,
>>>
>>> That is a very lovely recording, very realistic!
>>>
>>> If you are interested to go a step further with quality then I would
>>> add that I have heard wonderful soundscapes with no noticeable hiss
>>> from a friend who uses a Sony recorder (model before yours) plus two
>>> Telinga EM23 mics. I am sure the new Telinga clip on mics would be
>>> as good or better. I understand Mike Rooke also makes (or assembles)
>>> PIP mics of a similar quality.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Vicki Powys
>>> Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/06/2010, at 9:16 PM, redteamwins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody!
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to update you all. I went ahead and bought a Sony
>>>> PCM-M10 - it's beautiful, graceful, and just generally wonderful.
>>>>
>>>> Rob, after your nudging, I followed your advice and did the right
>>>> thing and soldered up a pair of WM-61A's that I bought from Digi-
>>>> Key (I've got 8 more that I've got to figure out what to do
>>>> with :). Thank you for those instructions! I got an old pair of
>>>> Sony walkman headphones (right angle plug!), desoldered the little
>>>> baby speakers, and soldered the ends of the wires to the microphone
>>>> capsules. I shrink-wrapped each capsule, put a non-shrink wrapped
>>>> sleeve on the end so that it will all mount on my eyeglasses, and
>>>> put some foam at the end with a rubber band for crude wind
>>>> protection. Building mics like this is probably routine to you
>>>> badasses but I felt pretty proud of myself when it was all done.
>>>>
>>>> I made a recording this past weekend on a beach near Rosarito,
>>>> Mexico covered in small rounded stones. During high tide, the
>>>> waves crash on the stones - as the water recedes the stones roll
>>>> and collide and make a wonderful sound. I was sitting on the rocks
>>>> higher up on the shore and the water was about two feet away from
>>>> my feet when big waves came.
>>>>
>>>> My friend took a photo of these stones years ago:
>>>>
>>>><http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidg/30181933/>http://www.flickr.com/ph=
otos/davidg/30181933/
>>>>
>>>> I have posted a recording of these waves here:
>>>>
>>>><http://soundcloud.com/redteam/mexico-rocky-waves-96-24>http://soundclo=
ud.com/redteam/mexico-rocky-waves-96-24
>>>> (file currently uploading - it should be up about 35min after this
>>>> message is posted)
>>>>
>>>> The microphones sounded pretty good until my ears tuned in to the
>>>> hiss. This was rather soul-crushing as it's something that's hard
>>>> to un-hear. Also, many of the sounds have a rather hollow quality -
>>>> as if the mics were mounted at the bottom of two plastic cups.
>>>> There were actually mounted with only foam windscreens at the front
>>>> of my eyeglasses. Regardless, this recording is the achievement of
>>>> a dream I've had for at least 8 years and you all helped me get
>>>> there. Thank you all.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm considering buying the Telinga Clip-Ons for my trip to
>>>> Europe that begins in a couple of weeks. I haven't really been
>>>> able to get much information about them from Telinga. I think
> >>> they're actually too big to be discreet with in public, but some of
>>>> you say such nice things about Telinga that I'm willing to give
>>>> them a shot despite their size - I really need higher quality
>>>> mics. Anyone have pictures of these microphones? Any specs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again, folks!
>>>>
>>>> -Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In
>>>><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>=
.com,
>>>>Rob Danielson <type@>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christian--
>>>>>
>>>>> This is how I see it: You're spending thousands on a once in a
>>>>> lifetime trip. You are excited about recordings acoustic nuances of
>>>>> settings that range from loud to very quiet. The recorder and mics
>>>>> are $200 under your budget,.. The ~$300 Telinga mics will be a
>>>>> great,
>>>>> safe investment that will not lose value and I know you'll be glad
>>>>> you made the investment many years from now. Solder-up a pair of
>>>>> the
>>>>> WM-61A's for $30
>>>>><http://tinyurl.com/2fr2p6r>http://tinyurl.com/2fr2p6r
>>>>>or pay $80 for them
>>>>> this
>>>>> week and hear what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry about throwing the numbers at you. Here's a description about
>>>>> mic self-noise:
>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/2ws926p>http://tinyurl.com/2ws926p
>>>>>
>>>>> 32dB(A) Noisiest mics
>>>>> 22 dB(A) Average
>>>>> 16 dB(A) almost quiet enough for quiet location
>>>>> <10 dB(A) lowest self-noise you can get, best.
>>>>> To convert signal to noise, subtract the S-N number from 94.
>>>>> e.g. the
>>>>> MM-HLSO specs,"Signal to noise ratio: 65dB, 1khz at 1pa" so,
>>>>> 95-65 =3D
>>>>> 30 dB(A) self-noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no point in spending a penny more on these smaller mic
>>>>> options unless you can see they'll give you an improvement in noise
>>>>> performance. Here's a list of the basic retail repackaging options
>>>>> for the smaller mics except for Klas' "Clip Ons" which use Primo
>>>>> EM-172's which are new and not on the list. You can contact Klas at
>>>>> <telinga@>.
>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/ykdesaj>http://tinyurl.com/ykdesaj
>>>>>
>>>>> Soldering steps:
>>>>>
>>>>><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/116/Trek01/BuildingMics/>https:/=
/pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/116/Trek01/BuildingMics/
>>>>> WM-61A_BrookBuildsMics/WM-61A_BrookBuildsMics.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 9:52 AM +0000 5/17/10, redteamwins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> should I get one of those little 9v battery supplies for whatever
>>>>>> microphone I buy?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm concerned about a car or bus completely overwhelming my
>>>>>> microphones in somewhat loud street environments. From what I've
>>>>>> learned, that situation is helped by some kind of "pad" or
>>>>>> attenuator cable and/or a battery supply giving more power to the
>>>>>> microphones to avoid clipping. Am I going in the right direction
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a worry. Turn the gain down, go to low sensitivity setting if
>>>>> need be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, I wonder if there is some nice place in between
>>>>>> the Sound Professionals' ~US$80 offering and Telinga's ~US$750+
>>>>>> offering! Does anyone have anything favorable to say about Core
>>>>>> Audio's ~US$250 offering? How about products from Microphone
>>>>>> Madness?:
>>>>>>
>>>>>><<http://microphonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm>http://micro=
phonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm>http://
>>>>>> microphonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm
>>>>>> I haven't read any real reviews of their products.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have heard nothing but good stuff about Sonic Studios' products
>>>>>> but jeeeeeeeez ... I can't afford those either.
>>>>>
>>>>> See the doc above. I'd consider these instead for 1/3 cost and same
>>>>> noise performance.
>>>>>
>>>>><https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/audio-reports/Shure-WL183s/>http=
s://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/audio-reports/Shure-WL183s/
>>>>> index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> But 14 dB(A) performance from the Clip-ons at ~$120 more makes
>>>>> better sense to me. Rob D.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So here's my point - maybe Sound Professionals' US$80 products are
>>>>>> good, but if I can get anything substantially better for ~US250
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> totally do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And again - folks - thank you for sharing your advice and
> >>>>> expertise.
>>>>>> I'm sure newbies post in here for this kind of advice all the time
>>>>>> and yet you have been so patient with me. I can't wait to make
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> recordings for you all to listen to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. Can anyone point me to a good primer on learning what you
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>> are talking about in terms of dB's? I'm trying to learn how to
>>>>>> distinguish between microphones and I can't decipher all the
>>>>>> values.
>>>>>> I think I have a pretty good idea about what a noise floor is and
>>>>>> what self-noise is ... but after that I don't really know what to
>>>>>> look for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>> Krause
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