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Subject: 2. Re: Introduction (weatherproof microphone housing)
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Thu Dec 4, 2008 9:54 pm ((PST))
Hi John--
It does seem like the floor buffing pads could be thick, fibrous and 
water-resistant enough to break-up the rain drops. I guess one could 
layer them too. Let us know what you discover; I'll pick up some 18" 
pads to try. Thanks, Rob D.

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At 3:18 AM +0000 12/5/08, John Hartog wrote:
>Rob,
>
>I like your description for a rain cover. I recently discovered a
>material that I think will work very well for the hog hair part -
>floor buffing pads.
>
>I noticed them in the rental section of a hardware store. The ones
>there are 1" thick non-woven plastic mesh and come in a couple
>different diameters, 13" and the larger I'm guessing around 18". They
>come in several colors that correspond to abrasiveness. Some were very
>abrasive to touch, but the tan colored one I bought is soft enough to
>be useful. They have a center hole, but the ones I found come with the
>hole piece still in place - just needs to be glued in.
>
>I got the 13" but now I'm thinking the larger one will be better for
>cutting to form a hemisphere like you describe. My initial test of
>holding it under the shower sounded very promising.
>
>I'll report back with results once this project is completed.
>
>John Hartog
>
>--- In 
><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Rob Danielson <> wrote:
>>
>>  At 12:52 PM +0000 11/7/08, colinbox wrote:
>>  >From the information and suggestions you gave, Rob, I have sketched a
>>  >rough design idea and recently showed it to my dad when visiting him -
>>  >he worked in mechanical and civil engineering all his life. We both
>>  >ran into difficulty regarding the "hogshair furnace filter" material -
>>  >this term does not appear to have a direct translation into UK
>>  >English! However, my dad suggested deer hide - with hair - as a
>>  >possible combined waterproof and rain-noise-suppressing 'roof'. He
>>  >also suggested sheep's wool as a possible material for absorbing the
>>  >sound of rain drops. Both these materials are freely available to me
>>  >(my brother is a deer stalker), but are these materials suitable?
>>
>>  Hi Col,
>>
>>  I suspect you are correct that the fine-woven, plastic material we
>>  call "hog's hair" is probably called something else in the UK. Its
>>  been around and used in furnace filters for many years-- most often
>>  in larger furnaces where larger, custom size filters are needed. Did
>>  you ask in a furnace supply company that specializes in industrial
>>  and new applications? The purpose of the hog's hair is to break-up
>>  the rain drops into a fine spray that are much less audible than drop
>>  impacts.. You can try a layer of 1"-2" thick fiberglass. The water
>>  runs through the hogs hair so whatever material you use should go on
>>  top of waterproof nylon like is used in umbrellas and tents. If the
>>  hemispherical cover is covered with nearly transparent materials and
>>  is large (around 2 feet in diameter), the lower rim of the cover can
>>  come down to the height of the mic capsules. It will take a very
>>  strong wind to blow rain into the capsules in this arrangement.
>>
>>  Here's the design theory of the cover: The sound-transparent cover is
>>  to keep the rain and dew from falling directly on the mic wind screen
>>  where it can saturate the fake fur and drip onto the mic. The
>>  collection of dampness and water from blowing rain on the sides of
>>  the wind protectors needs to be able to drip off without puddling
>>  near the cables or mic bodies.
>>
>>  Deer hide and Sheep's wool will not be transparent to sound. The both
>>  will also retain too much water and become too heavy.
>>
>>  >With deer-hide for wind- and water-proofing I envisage making a
>>  >rectangular box with basic wood frame, hardwood "floor" (with standard
>>  >3/8inch fixing for screwing shock-mounts onto), nylon covering the
>>  >roof and 3 or all 4 of the vertical faces, and deer-hide (or other
>>  >suitable material) attached to the outside of a larger frame which
>>  >could be lifted off during dry weather... Does this sound like a
>  > >viable design concept?
>>
>>  I wouldn't use _any_ kind of enclosure or box around or near the
>>  mics. Its likely to add resonance and interfere with mic array and
>>  sound performance. What type of stereo array are you using-- the NT3?
>>
>>  > The hairy deer-hide would cover the top, rear, and 2 sides to
>>  >minimize noise from the house,
>>  >heating system, neighbours, etc, while leaving the front unobstructed.
>>
>>  So you are not able to move the mics very far away from these less
>>  desirable sounds then? Increasing the distance from them is much more
>>  effective because most of the sound will wrap around any object you
>>  can construct-- especially low frequencies. A large tree or other
>>  surface that is not highly sound-reflective can provide some
>>  abatement of the mid and high frequencies.
>>
>>  I wanted to experiment with 2- 4' X 8' X 1" MDF (medium density
>>  fiberboard) panels, water-proofed and covered with 1/2" thick high
>>  density foam in a slight "V" shape placed behind my parallel boundary
>>  stereo array about 4-6' to see if this would significantly abate
>>  sounds coming from the rear with my omni mics.
>>
>>
>>  >
>>  >Something I have discovered recently is that both my Rode NT3 and NT4
>>  >mic's do not exhibit the same "sputtering" noise when connected to my
>>  >external soundcard with balanced XLR connections and 48Volt phantom
>>  >power... So, instead of new mic's, I need a new recorder! The Edirol
>>  >R09 has served its purpose by igniting my passion for nature
>>  >recording, but now I need a 'proper' recorder!
>>
>>  The R09 should be a pretty good fit for your NT-4 in terms of
>>  quality. I' not sure why the NT-4 would sputter if powered with 9
>>  volts,.. but if it does, and the NT-4 is the mic you want to use in
>>  the field, you could power it with an Art Phantom II between the R09
>>  and NT-4.
>>
>>  If you are after lower noise performance than that you get with your
>>  NT-4 [~16 dB(A)], I'd study lower noise mics and array options first
>>  before buying any recorder. Buying the recorder before looking at
>>  your whole system is a common mistake. Rob D.
>>
>>
>>  >Has anyone got a decent
>>  >4-track field recorder (SD card or hard drive) they no longer use and
>>  >want to find a good home for?
>>  >
>>  >Colin
>>  >
>>  >--- In
>>
>><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
>
>>  >Rob Danielson <type@> wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> At 10:21 PM +0100 10/25/08, Colin Brown wrote:
>>  >> >Thank you, nature recordists, for all the welcoming words of
>support,
>>  >> >suggestions, and links. Martyn, you and your wife have my sincere
>>  >sympathy.
>>  >> >I'm blessed with wonderful family and friends and a great doctor
>>  >here in the
>>  >> >Lakes, so moving to a warmer, drier place is currently a more
>painful
>>  >> >prospect!
>>  >> >
>>  >> >I live on the side of a hill with lush green fields stretching up
>>  >from my
>>  >> >garden fence to the horizon, so the idea of a microphone
>outside in an
>>  >> >all-weather housing is very attractive. My garden is terraced and
>>  >no more
>>  >> >than 20feet from the house wall to the boundary fence. Roughly 50
>>  >feet from
>>  >> >the house wall are several thorn bushes, currently laden with
>>  >berries which
>>  >> >attract many bird species. As well as the common Blackbirds, Crows,
>>  >> >Sparrows, Robin, Chaffinch, Blue tits and Great tits, a stone chat
>>  >visits
>>  >> >these bushes, usually in the early morning, but I have yet to
>>  >record it. A
>>  >> >mic outside would massively increase my chances of recording its
>>  >surreal
>>  >> >calls. Bats also swoop around the back of my house all night but
>>  >recording
>>  >> >them will have to wait until I have enough experience and
>appropriate
>>  >> >equipment! All this activity comes from within an angle of
>>  >approximately
>>  >> >90-120 degrees, depending how close or distant the listening
>>  >position is to
>>  >> >the rear wall of the house. By far the most abundant source of
>>  >berries and
>>  >> >birdsong is a single, centrally positioned bush, again roughly 50
>>  >feet from
>>  >> >the rear wall of the house and 30feet from the garden fence.
>  > >Unfortunately
>>  >> >the bathroom, kitchen, and heating system are all located at the
>>  >rear of the
>>  >> >house. I can still safely use carpentry tools (on good days!) so an
>>  >> >all-weather microphone housing will be my next project. If
>anyone has
>>  >> >experience of building such a unit I would greatly appreciate
>advice on
>>  >> >design and materials.
>>  >>
>>  >> Mic/array factors aside, a high priority goal of the rig design
>is to
>>  >> eliminate rain and dew from striking or descending on the mic
>bodies.
>>  >> A nylon umbrella will shed both or you can make a cage out of
>>  >> hardware cloth that even extends all the way down the sides.
>Nylon is
>>  >> fairly sound transparent. You can also layer ~1"+ thick "hogshair"
>>  >> furnace filter material on top of the nylon which shatters rain
>drops
>>  >> into fine spray make rainfall less obtrusive.
>>  >> 
>><<http://tinyurl.com/58xyyu>http://tinyurl.com/58xyyu><http://tinyurl.com/58xyyu>http://tinyurl.com/58xyyu
>> 
>>A waterproof
>>  >>""roof" seems to greatly
>>  >> reduce moisture-related problems-- even those stemming from high
>>  >> humidity.
>>  >>
>>  >> The NT4, like most mics, is quite prone to handling noise which is
>>  >> usually addressed with some sort of shock mount. I cut out sections
>>  >> of 4" thinwall PVC pipe to create suspension rings.
>>  >> 
>><<http://tinyurl.com/5hzsfq>http://tinyurl.com/5hzsfq><http://tinyurl.com/5hzsfq>http://tinyurl.com/5hzsfq
>> 
>>People use
>>  >>common rubber bands and silicone
>>  >> "O" rings to suspend the mics.
>>  >>
>>  >> Regarding wind protection, I sew a surround out of thinly woven,
>long
>>  >> pile, fake fur. The fur should be no less than 1" from the capsules
>>  >> and fully enclose the capsules (if not the whole mic body).
>>  >> 
>><<http://tinyurl.com/6gucb2>http://tinyurl.com/6gucb2><http://tinyurl.com/6gucb2>http://tinyurl.com/6gucb2
>> 
>>The wind
>>  >>protection should be inside of the
>>  >> umbrella or nylon-covered cage.
>>  > >
>>  >> Regarding Mic positioning. In addition to attending to direction,
>>  >> avoid placing the mics near the ground or other large reflective
>>  >> surfaces. Many recordists feel that getting the mics ar least 7' off
>>  >> the ground improves clarity. Positioning the mic with the unwanted
>>  >> background sound coming from the rear and with a massive object in
>>  >> between can help abate the sound-- even a large tree trunk. Lots
>more
>>  >> can be offered about mic positioning as you proceed.
>>  >>
>>  >> >There are 4 of us in my household so noise pollution
>>  >> >will be a major issue. Suggestions on minimizing this
>>  >noise-pollution would
>>  >> >also be great
>>  >>
>>  >> Its true that human and machine-made sounds from your house or
>>  >> neighbors tend to become annoying over time. Could you run mic cable
>>  >> further away from these sound sources? I use standard, balanced,
>>  >> studio-grade mic cable and encounter negligible signal loss at a run
>>  >> of 700 feet. I loosely suspended the signal-carrying cables from a
>>  >> taught electric fence wire stretched between trees with bungy cords
>>  >> at both ends to absorb tree movement.
>>  
>> >><<http://tinyurl.com/6cukav>http://tinyurl.com/6cukav><http://tinyurl.com/6cukav>http://tinyurl.com/6cukav
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> >When the weather is dry my Rode NT3 and NT4 microphones re great.
>>  >However,
>>  >> >this being the Lake District, most days the atmosphere is damp
>>  >enough to
>>  >> >cause sputtering (often more than once a minute) which far
>exceeds the
>>  >> >clipping level of my Edirol R-09 recorder. That's why the Rode NTG3
>>  >with its
>>  >> >advertised high-humidity capability looks so appealing, 5dBA less
>>  >self-noise
>>  >> >would be an added bonus.
>>  >> >
>>  >> >Before taking either the NT3 or NT4 outside and connecting to my
>>  >computer's
>>  >> >soundcard (PreSonus Firebox) does anyone know whether the
>>  >sputtering and
>>  >> >associated clipping would harm either my soundcard or PC - or
>>  >whether the
>>  >> >humidity would damage mic's?
>>  >>
>>  >> The literature on the Firebox specifies 20dB of gain on the mic
>pres.
>>  >> This spec might be misleading, but the unit might also have less
>>  >> gain than is ideal, especially for ambience and night recording.
>  > >> You'll just have to test it and see. The noise spec for the unit is
>>  >> good. Don't be afraid to use full gain. The NT4 is not particularly
>>  >> sensitive. It will work better on phantom power, not batteries.
>>  >>
>>  >> I suppose a first step might be to get your NT-4 up and running.
>>  >> After you've done some recording, you can post some comments and
>>  >> sample recordings and folks will be happy to provide some feedback.
>>  >> Rob D.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> >
>>  >> >Thanks again,
>>  >> >
>>  >> >Col
>>  >> >
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  > > --
>>  >>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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