naturerecordists
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: Bat detector (and aliasing)

Subject: Re: Bat detector (and aliasing)
From: "Raimund Specht" animalsounds
Date: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:12 am ((PST))
Hi Gianni,

Thanks for correcting my fault. Yes, I actually meant that the usable
frequency  range is limited to 60...70 kHz (because a 120 kHz signal
component would cause an aliasing product at 72 kHz. One could remove
the potential aliasing artifacts by low-pass filtering the recorded
sound files with a cut-off frequency of about 60 kHz.

Raimund


> Hi Raimund, I would correct the latest statement.
> According to the frequency response of the 722 and its a-a filters
> (see http://www.unipv.it/cibra/res_techtest_uk.html) you'll get
> frequencies above 60 kHz attenuated (-5 dB at 80 kHz, -10 dB at
> 92kHz) whilst the risk of getting aliasing is limited to frequencies
> above 96 kHz.
> Frequencies above 96 kHz (maybe harmonics of echolocation signals
> below 96 kHz) will be attenuated according to the frequency response
> (dark line) and reflected back to the range below 96.
> The pink line going from 96 kHz (-12dB) back to 50 kHz (-70dB) shows
> the maximum level of aliased components that may occur for input
> frequencies higher than 96 kHz if recorded at 0 dB!
> Thus if you record a 120kHz tone at 0 dB (unlikely to happen) you get
> an aliased component of 72kHz at -30dB, but if you get the same 120
> kHz at, say, -30 dB (more realistic) you get the aliasing at -60 dB.
>
> The aliasing risk could be further attenuated by the frequency
> response of the microphone and of the amplifier you use. If the
> global frequency response of the ultrasonic receiver you're using
> falls down above 100 kHz the aliasing risk could become negligible.
>
> Further, aliasing of sweeps is clearly identifiable: the first-fold
> alias of an upsweep is a downsweep. By the way, with the equipment we
> are talking about multi-fold aliasing will never happen; this risk is
> limited to AD converters without anti-aliasing circuitry like those
> of, for example, most NIDAQ boards. The widely used NI DAQ 6062
> requires additional expensive filters to avoid aliasing, or the use
> of very high sampling rate to largely exceed the bandwidth of the
> signals to be recorded.
>
> Gianni
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Gianni Pavan
> Centro Interdisciplinare di Bioacustica e Ricerche Ambientali
> Universita' degli Studi di Pavia
> Via Taramelli 24, 27100 PAVIA, ITALIA
> Tel         +39-0382-987874
> Fax        +39-02-700-32921
> Web       http://www.unipv.it/cibra
> Email      
>
>
>







<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>
Admin

The University of NSW School of Computer and Engineering takes no responsibility for the contents of this archive. It is purely a compilation of material sent by many people to the naturerecordists mailing list. It has not been checked for accuracy nor its content verified in any way. If you wish to get material removed from the archive or have other queries about the archive e-mail Andrew Taylor at this address: andrewt@cse.unsw.EDU.AU