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RE: Okay, I ordered One: RE: Seeking Low-cost Commercially A

Subject: RE: Okay, I ordered One: RE: Seeking Low-cost Commercially A
From: "Robert Berberian" <>
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:40:07 -0500
I'm located in N Central MA Jerry... we got it good too.  Over a foot here 
but very peaceful sounding.

Robert

&gt;From: &quot;Jerry Berrier&quot; &lt;&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: 
&gt;To: &lt;&gt;
&gt;Subject: Okay, I ordered One: RE: [Nature Recordists] Seeking Low-cost 
Commercially Available Parabolic system
&gt;Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:46:21 -0500
&gt;
&gt;Well, I finally bit the bullet and placed an order.  I found one from 
Saul
&gt;Mineroff Electronics that sounds like it will meet my needs.
&gt;I will use the microphones I currently have for the time being and then
&gt;later purchase a better mic.
&gt;
&gt;We just got a foot of snow today here in central MA; can't wait for 
spring.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-----Original Message-----
&gt;From: Walter Knapp 
&gt;Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:10 PM
&gt;To: 
&gt;Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Seeking Low-cost Commercially Available
&gt;Parabolic system
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;From: Klas Strandberg &lt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;With the parabolic it is in focus or out. There is no 
smooth
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;transition.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Yes, there is. The size of the focus varies with frequency.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Klas.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;With a shotgun the center is more like the ear to find the 
sweet
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;spot.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;You can read that a shotgun has no gain but the truth is a 
bit more
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;gray.  If you have a sensitive directional mic that is has 
a pattern
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;more close to the ear in direction ability, then it is easy 
to find
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;the sweet spot in the blind.  It still can do a selective 
receive
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;that a dish can do.
&gt;
&gt;First off this grew out of the assumption that being blind means a
&gt;person cannot hear the direction of the sound. Nothing could be farther
&gt;from the truth. Friends I have that are blind can point exactly where
&gt;some sound is and describe it far better than a person with sight, they
&gt;don't need to see the bird. I see no problem in their using a parabolic,
&gt;in fact I've handed my parabolic to a blind person, and he had no
&gt;problem using mine. No instruction necessary he already had what he
&gt;wanted to point at nailed. And he could scan up new things too.
&gt;
&gt;It's not just that the size of the focus varies with frequency, I
&gt;certainly agree with Klas on this. The focus is also variable depending
&gt;on target distance. The bottom line is that a parabolic is hardly a
&gt;straight line only as to it's pickup. While the angle of acceptance of a
&gt;parabolic is narrower than a shotgun, it's still very wide and does have
&gt;a transition zone that's easy to use as a guide for centering the
&gt;direction of the mic. It's easy to zero in by ear with good headphones.
&gt;I submit it's even easier if you use a stereo parabolic, like the
&gt;telinga stereo. In frog survey recordings I'll usually survey a site
&gt;entirely with my headphones on, zeroing in on each little calling group
&gt;by ear. Bird folks need to try this more, with frogs your chances of
&gt;seeing the calling frogs are very low, so you always do it by ear. Try
&gt;recording with your eyes closed, listen to the sound.
&gt;
&gt;The problem with shotgun mics in addition to having no extra gain that
&gt;won't increase the self noise as well, is that they tend toward the high
&gt;priced end, hard to cheaply hand make a quality shotgun mic, though I
&gt;have a few ideas. You will get more bang for the buck with a parabolic,
&gt;particularly at the less expensive end. Even once you get the shotgun
&gt;pointed at the bird, it's still hampered by less gain and a wider pickup
&gt;zone. Shotguns tend to have polar patterns that have a fairly even
&gt;pickup for the center 60 degrees or so, much harder to get exact aim by
&gt;ear. If anything they have greater need of visual sighting.
&gt;
&gt;Try both a parabolic and a shotgun blindfolded, I think the parabolic
&gt;will win as far as aiming.
&gt;
&gt;As far as the ear's angle of acceptance, it's more like the SASS than
&gt;either of these. It's our brain that then filters out all that came in
&gt;to make it appear like we were only listening in one limited direction
&gt;to a single caller.
&gt;
&gt;Walt
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&quot;Microphones are not ears,
&gt;Loudspeakers are not birds,
&gt;A listening room is not nature.&quot;
&gt;Klas Strandberg
&gt;Yahoo! Groups Links
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;




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"Microphones are not ears,
Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
Klas Strandberg
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