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New Zealand bird of the year poll subject to dirty tricks - by Aussies

To: 'Geoffrey Dabb' <>, 'canberrabirds chatline' <>
Subject: New Zealand bird of the year poll subject to dirty tricks - by Aussies
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 01:10:22 +0000
Yes. I have 4 NZ bird books, all list all 8 species as Shag, some with 
alternate group name as Cormorant. The aspect of "although the 'shag' of Europe 
is a distinct species" occurs a huge variety of birds - such as Magpie.

Although if someone votes just for "Shag" I don't see how that vote would 
count, as that is not one identifiable species.

I had not thought before about what "shag" might mean but it is suggested as 
shaggy, which actually fits the plumage of the Darter better than cormorants.

The 1978 Australian recommended names list used Black-faced Shag based on the 
at the time assessment of being in a different genus. I thought it was because 
it was mainly a marine bird.

Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Dabb 
Sent: Saturday, 6 October, 2018 10:50 AM
To: 'canberrabirds chatline'
Subject: New Zealand bird of the year poll subject to dirty tricks - by Aussies

New Zealanders do indeed refer to their cormorants as 'shags', although the ' 
shag'  of Europe is a distinct species.  One reason for the persistence of 
'shag' in the Australian vernacular is probably that waves of shag-using New 
Zealanders are in opposition to the tide towards uniform use of  'cormorant' 
among bird-interested Australians.

-----Original Message-----
From: Con Boekel <>
Sent: Friday, 5 October 2018 5:46 PM
To: canberrabirds chatline <>
Subject: New Zealand bird of the year poll subject to dirty tricks - by Aussies


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/05/desperate-for-a-shag-fraudsters-target-new-zealands-bird-of-the-year-poll



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