canberrabirds

"Ageing" of Australasian grebes

To: "martin butterfield" <>, "chat line" <>
Subject: "Ageing" of Australasian grebes
From: "Michael and Janette Lenz" <>
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:57:30 +1100
Martin,
 
the dates fit a 2nd brood. Pairs can initiate a 2nd brood when the young of the 1st brood are about 3 weeks old (when they can feed on their own). Incubation takes about 3 weeks. Young are fully independent at eight weeks.
 
The young of the 1st brood may either have moved on or are making themselves scarce. breeding adults can be aggressive. I have noticed the "disappearance" of young from a 1st brood also, only to discover them  (more by chance) hanging out at the edge and inside vegetation etc. (see also CBN 32 (2) 2007: 1020105).
 
Michael Lenz

Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:28 AM
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Subject: [canberrabirds] "Ageing" of Australasian grebes

I have put quotes around the word ageing since this is whether it is possible to estimate the age of young Australasian Grebes, rather than their aging process.  On 25 November last year I observed 1 adult and 3 young Australasian grebes on our top dam.  Some pictures from that day are in http://franmart.blogspot.com/2010/11/australasian-grebes-on-top-dam.html  Today, 15 January, I was in the area again (primarily improving some blackberry regrowth) and found that there were still one adult and 3 young grebes: see attached image taken on full  zoom across a hazy dam. 

My expectation is that these are a second brood.  Does anyone know how quickly the chicks would grow?  Is it more likely that in two months the first brood:
  1. became ex-grebes (the area is well supplied with raptors and foxes are not unknown in the area) and a second started from scratch; or
  2. achieved independence and departed while the excellent season (the area around the dam is lush with vegetation full of frogs and insects) allowed the second brood?

Martin


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